Imane Khelif to box women In The Netherlands' Eindhoven Cup June 6-9

I heard Katherine Ryan talk briefly about this or maybe another person but same scenario
I do too have a smidge of sympathy if Imane was raised as a girl then some men saw the opportunity to profit from the strength that I think we now know is due to a different mix of chromosomes
We won't know if they were told they weren't regularly built as a female but to see such disparity and believe them self to be to much stronger ? No. It screams of corrupt men deciding that if they can get away with it, they will
Is there a likely scenario where someone genuinely believes they're a woman all their life and suddenly finds they're not who also happens to be an elite athlete when put up against women? Stretches belief. They should not be allowed to compete of course. It's dangerous and though boxing makes me feel ill anyway, this is actually sickening.

I don't think you are in a minority. Boxing is barbaric.

I've never quite understood why if headgear is needed at the amateur level, it isn't at professional

I remember watching the Michael Watson fight with my dad. It completely put me off boxing as a sport.

Not that tiny; couldn't agree more.

I think a lot of people would agree with you that two people beating each other up is appalling and should not be treated as a sport.

I confess that I have a spectrum of disapproval:
-amateur boxing is the thin end of the wedge but at least it doesn't last long - three rounds, or four shorter rounds in women's boxing;
-professional boxing is appalling and lasts for 12 rounds;
-MMA is just brutal beyond belief.

But yes, any sport that involves attempting to inflict damage up to and including brain damage aka 'a knockout' on another human being shouldn't be considered a 'sport' at all.

edited to say that other sports involve injuries, sometimes serious, e.g. rugby.
But inflicting injury is the intention in boxing, it is collateral damage in other sports.

I'm in the tiny minority who thinks boxing is appalling and should not be treated as a 'respectable' sport.

I'm afraid my sympathy ends at the point he gets in a ring and batters women who are being forced to participate in that open lie, in a sport where he may quite easily inflict a lifechanging injury or worse. I can't imagine what it must have been like for those women to have to go into a ring with him, with very little way out and the activists screaming. He didn't have to step up with any fear of what those women might do to him.

Um.... no he doesn't. The [in]famous tests from the Paris hospital stated that he does not have standard male issue anything - what he has is not where they should be/not to scale.

I feel bad talking so intrusively about another human being like this, I really do, even IK!
I know it's his own fault etc etc etc., but I am one of the rarities on FWR who has a smidgeon of sympathy for IK, because I do believe he was brought up as a girl, and he was taken up by a ruthless machine to be turned into a national icon and Olympic gold medal fodder.

Obviously he should have had the er.... courage to say to the political and sporting establishment
'The tests say I am not female. No matter what my coaches and medical team say to the contrary, it is morally wrong for me to continue like this. I am retiring forthwith, and am going to return to obscurity and poverty in rural Algeria, a disappointment to my nation and my family.'

He didn't, and you can bet your bottom dollar that he was under immense pressure from all sides to keep playing the game...

The tweet and website headline say told to return the medal because that's what Kremlev has said he * should do so

*pronoun in line with reality revealed by sex tests

X is saying (GB News, so who knows if it is true) that Imame has been told to return the medal due to “suspicious moments”.

Kirsty Coventry has just become head of the IOC, so perhaps she isn’t buying the “but Imane is female …..because….passport” rubbish spouted by Thomas Bach.

Is there really anything new there, though? It's the same "discredted Russian-led organisation" that every one's supposed to ignore, with a pic of Putin thrown in to make the point if it wasn't obvious enough. He's dead right about Bach, though, he really is a POS.

How daft, saying she for a man, like all the pronoun nonsense.
He knows he's a man he confidently sat on his trainers shoulders with his crotch behind the trainer's head when celebrating.

I see many comments BTL along the lines of 'His he him for God sake STOP calling him a her you look ridiculous".

Exactly!

That's what I was thinking. Why do they keep saying 'her' and 'she'?

'her'?

Revealed: Imane Khelif's two failed gender tests that led to her ban from boxing - and how woke campaigners ignored warning signs to allow her to compete at the Olympic Games | Daily Mail Online

And this is why Imane will not be taking any test. So he can maintain the lie and retain his medals.

Ffs.

When would it ever be acceptable for country to do its own testing, when is it against its interests to find correct results.

Don’t forget, the Algerian boxing organisation already have two valid tests. One from the IBA. And one from the Paris specialist.

They already have tests that they could use to admit Khelif into this competition at hand. When World Boxing contacted them, they could have said, before you make this announcement, let us submit these test results. (Or at least the Paris specialist)

Of course, we can reliably predict what those will say.

I would think the onus on testing probably should go to the country’s sporting organisation. The country should then not be entering in athletes untested.

Then the competition body should be doing follow ups if a testing agency’s certification is in doubt or an error looks to be have made.

I just read on Twitter that Algeria will be allowed to do the testing and just submit results? Surely that can’t be right?

I meant unforgivable, not unaccessable...

Thanks for the link!

Is it just me or is some of the wording interesting. It reads like an old MN post with zeros pronouns and just IK in each sentence.