The words that have been pulled over your eyes

Someone made a very philosophical post around adherents to gender ideology feeling that the look of a thing is more important than its function. It was someone trying to understand what the heck Deborah Francis Wright was on about with clown bus drivers I think.

The ‘it looks like a female breast so it is a female breast, just ignore function’ stuff on this thread was a demonstration of that in action

The efforts yesterday were vile.

But also the ignorance was astounding. The other poster who honestly believed that their male breast development made their breast exactly the same as a female breast came across as naive. But both male posters seemed to be ignorant about female breasts, yet both were sneering and patronising about how they were the same and I don't realised just how many women would be reading that thinking.... you ignorant men.

They didn't even know enough to know that they were wrong, but obviously believed the superficial level information that they had been fed.

It reminded me just how superficial those who believe in gender ideology believe that if you just use the right words, then it must be true. So, if people just call this cavity inserted into my groin a 'vagina', then it is the same as a female body part. I mean, they insert stuff into that cavity, so it must be fucking true. Near enough is good enough.

If a male breast can produce a liquid, then it must be exactly like a female breast. Near enough is good enough right?

And that is it. If what they have is a representation of what they believe something is, that is all that is needed. Hence we get all the sex is a spectrum and accusations of 'you are saying that women without a functioning [insert body part] isn't a women type of fuckwittery.

Exactly this.

'Misgendering' has been declared a sin.

Which is to say, using one's own assessment to ascertain someone's sex and state that sex as observed is verboten. Instead, we are to deliberately refrain from using our eyes, brains and understanding and await instruction.

Worth thinking how bloody mad that is.

It translates as 'some men are women'.

It's so nonsensical it seems to knock out all critical thinking. Because people think that it cant' be that stupid, there must be more to it. And yes, go scrabbling about to find out what that secret is.

There is no secret.

No men are women. Not in any way.

The real magic is in how it has been decided that to state 'no men are women' is blasphemous and must be punished.

They will say anything to justify getting their own way and 'win'.
They would argue black was white if it suited them.

This was exactly the case with my abusive narcissist ex. In the end, you notice the pattern. They'll swerve and switch whenever they think they're losing - they want to WIN at all costs, and are not interested in getting to the truth of anything.

"Law" = something we can pick and choose whether we accept or not

"Reality" = totally and utterly made fantasy nonsense

Sexual characteristics was used yesterday.

There was a shit attempt to twist MY truth yesterday too.

They will say anything to justify getting their own way and 'win'.

They would argue black was white if it suited them.

So in terms of a list of words, it's any word used with the most commonly used words at the top of the list.

Nothing is off limits

I mean:
We are at "Neo nazi" for anyone who disagrees...

Oh yes, I remember that! As you say, they were utterly convinced that if two separate people had two different protected characteristics, that meant "share".

The current toilet thread is pretty similar to that. As the exact age group of "male" hasn't been defined, 6-year-old boys are obviously a threat to women in women's toilets. And that means all men should be able to enter women's spaces. Or something.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5343172-are-toilets-still-allowed-to-be-cleaned-by-members-of-the-opposite-sex?page=17&reply=144603979

Twisted words:
Truth (my truth)
Boundaries (now can cause literal death)

Then there's happens, but ignored:
Sexual reproduction
Sexual discrimination

There was a thread on here recently where a poster was convinced that "share a protected characteristic" could mean "each have one of two separate protected characteristics" meaning that it would be legitimate to have spaces for women plus trans women, because the Supreme Court hasn't said that is not what "share" means.

How about we call for a Supreme Court ruling to clarify each and every one of those words? 🤔

@NoKnittingAllowed
trans identified men are vastly over represented as sex offenders in prison compared to non trans identifying men. This is bad enough but what I think you’re driving at is “what’s so bad about a man who calls himself a woman?”. Well a hell a lot of women find this deeply offensive, compelled speech, driving a false narrative, misogynistic, shutting down free speech, capturing the workplace, cancelling careers, driving the social contagion that mutilates and medicalises children, prevents lesbians meeting, ruins a trip to the swimming pool 😮‍💨. There’s more but I think you get the idea

"nuance" should also be on the list

Yes, it’s spread through twisting words and meanings to confuse people.

It forces you to make points longer and more complicated and the point you’re trying to make gets lost.

The accusations of bigot or transphobia force people to start with ‘I’m not transphobic’ or ‘I’ve got nothing against trans people doing about their lives’

So a simple point like ‘men shouldn’t be allowed in women’s spaces’ which is quite obvious to most people and hard to argue against becomes ‘I don’t care what anyone wears, but transwomen shouldn’t be in women’s single sex spaces’ which they then say ‘transwomen aren’t dangerous to women, men are dangerous to women’ which becomes ‘transwomen are men’ and so you go on in circles.

If their argument only works by twisting words and changing meanings then the house of cards will come falling down sooner or later.

Gender reassignment should never have been made one of the protected characteristics, men wearing women’s clothes is for sexual thrills and people shouldn’t be forced by law to be co-opted into someone else’s fetish.

The Humpty Dumpties group.

'Expert' should be on the list somewhere.

Was 'lying' on the list?

And ‘human rights’ needs to go on the ‘politically exaggerated’ list.

‘Consent’ is another to add to the word list of words that now mean the opposite.

Woman
girl
man
boy
female
male
lesbian
gay
her
she
him
he
loving
tolerant
inclusive
kind
progressive
consent

Maybe we should call them the Upsidedowner group? The Polar opposite group?

That doesn’t even include the words that have become misused in as exaggerated political tactic.

Words like

abuse
life-saving

And then come the hyperbolic catastrophisers

genocide
far right
fascist

Which one got a lot of use yesterday on another thread? Detonate. Maybe we should call this last group the ‘Detonator group.’

I have been thinking about the OP and of all the posts where we have discussed how words are one of the major tools of gender identity ideology. It is not so many words. But some really key words though that provide significant power.

Some have been changed now to include the very opposite of the originally intended meaning:

Woman
girl
man
boy
female
male
lesbian
gay
her
she
him
he

loving
tolerant
inclusive
kind
progressive

On the sport’s side we have :

fair
competitive

I am sure there are plenty more that we can add.

I could put bigot up there because it probably fits the bill.

Of course, then there is cis.

Which is really a meaningless word in its repurposed use. That is a special case as it doesn’t mean the opposite to the original intention. But it has been appropriated just the same as the other words.

I think though that appropriation is a word that can describe this ideology. From the very beginning it appropriated. It appropriated stereotypes to define what it meant to be a woman when you are a man. It appropriated language which had the added bonus of then quickly signalling all the values and needz. It appropriated political tactics and other political movements.

I think as a paradigm shift concept , it will be studied in decades to come. It is both clumsy and lazy and yet powerful. It is like the tweaked cultural elements that became quite clear in creating the Star Wars universe.

However, it really is concerning when you track it all back. Reading the words of Robert Wintemute brought it all back. How it all got so far because people weren’t looking and assumed the best. Because it was a strategy that was taking advantage of the inherent misogyny that remains in society, leveraging the campaigns of LGB people, but keeping a low profile strategically as long as it needed to be to gain power.

And it also used familiarity through language strategically. You only have to look at media reporting even now to see how it was done. How much goes under the radar when we see crimes reported as ‘woman jailed for assault’ and it remains in the local news section. Nothing to see here… just one of those uncommon occasions of a woman assaulting someone. Oh! Look how nice, a woman won cricketer of the year. Well done that woman!

Language really has been an important tool for this political aims of this group.

It does.