Two biological men a day given trans surgery on the NHS

The prostate produces the seminal fluid, the testes produce the sperm. Only in soldiers injured in action have they been able to take recently produced sperm stored in other parts of the body.

I also thought that the NHS was well known for poor-quality sex change operations and that compilations were common as the surgeons aren't specialised. Perhaps the NHS would be better placed just to offer nullification surgery?

I’m afraid that is incorrect.

Stonewall seemed it transphobic to make gender dysphoria a prerequisite for being ‘trans’. They deliberately defined it in the policies they dictated and embedded in thousands of organisations that the only prerequisite for being trans is saying that you’re trans.

Stonewall also went to great lengths to ensure that no employer dares ask for any proof of ‘transition’ for people claiming to be trans. It in entirely on self declaration.

'Dr Louise Irvine, the co-chairwoman of the Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender, said: “If this surgery is intended to relieve gender dysphoria then as far as we know there is no research to show how effective it is, but we know that there is a high level of complications such as infertility, loss of sexual function, scarring and urinary problems.'

Sperm is produced in the testicles. I can’t imagine there would be functional sperm in the prostate for any length of time after orchiectomy.

How many anorexics get liposuction?

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

https://archive.ph/IP1Ky

'Fifty-one teenagers aged 16 and 17 who were born as females were sent to hospitals in England to undergo further assessment for “specialist chest reconstruction” over the past six years, The Telegraph reported. In theory, those as young as 17 can undergo the procedure, and children aged 16 have been “referred for assessment for surgery”.'

Article from 2021.

Johns Hopkins stopped doing these surgeries because there was no good evidence that they received psychological distress (and obviously have major health impacts). The NHS should not be providing them

I fear they will both be able to sue, and need increasing levels of mental and physical healthcare as they realise what they’ve done as their bodies deteriorate due to inappropriate hormones and botched surgery.

I ask because I have searched for it and I haven’t found a conclusive study.

We aren't here to do your work for you, maybe find it yourself?

The tax payer should not be funding this, we work hard and pay our fair share to the government to provide vital public services, not cosmetic surgery. I’d bet if people had to pay themselves there wouldn’t be half so many going through with it!

my friend had a boob job, it cost her £8k so not an insurmountable figure to save up over a year or two for most employed people with no dependants.

Another result of closing down the psychiatric hospitals and underfunding psychiatry and mental health in general.

Probably cheaper to chop the bits off than have the patient go through years of therapy or something. The clipboard/lanyard person in charge of budgets is to blame IMO.

Do you have a study on the ineffectiveness of surgery I can read?

@Signalbox Just had a grim thought...the doctors performing these surgeries may be no better than a lay person like me wondering how to move parts around, except they aren't scared of a scalpel.

The majority of the kids these days who are being medicated and operated on in the name of gender dysphoria, suffer from very serious mental co-morbidities, each of which could be the reason for their modern-day "gender dysphoria". What they need is a thorough assessment, and psychological help to deal with their other conditions. And then we'll see if they still have anything resembling some kind of actual gender dysphoria. The rising number of de-transitioners, and the reasons they give for detransitioning, point to a far too loud "no" in the majority of cases.

Makes sense. Wouldn’t gender dysphoria be the reason for a trans person to have surgery?

Treating a psychological disorder with surgery is unethical and almost certainly ineffective. HTH.

I think I was assuming some complicated thing where they keep the prostrate and move the testes internally? Hell, I have no idea, really, LOL...just basing this off the extraction method that is used for men who have internal testes because they have a disorder of sexual reproduction like 6,XY difference of sex development due to 5-alpha-reductase 2 deficiency. Doesn't the prostrate produce semen to protect the sperm?

It would be stored in the vas deferens which gets removed. Sperm travels down the urethra which passes through the prostate, but doesn’t enter the organ.

So it was tried 50 years ago and didn’t work? Why have you assumed it’s the right treatment now?

My understanding is you have to diet to get your BMI down before the NHS will give you breast reduction surgery to see if weight loss resolves your physical issues. Perhaps we should require intensive therapeutic intervention to see whether gender dysphoria resolves without surgery in gender dysphoric patients before removing their healthy organs and tissues and causing iatrogenic illness.

Why would there be sperm in the prostate?

NB biology isn’t my strong point but I thought sperm came from the testes.

I'm guessing that if the prostrate is left alone, there may be a rare chance to extract some sperm. Sounds painful. If a man wants to be a father but prefers this horrific painful surgery then a painful extraction to having PIV sex or orgasm into a cup, is he really a mentally healthy individual?

Trans surgery on the nhs? Is this a joke!

Maybe 50 years ago. Now we're supposed to 'celebrate' gender dysphoria rather than treat it as a mental health condition.

Is there any evidence to show gender dysphoria responds to psychological treatment? My understanding is that it has been tried and wasn’t effective.