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France's indifference to child abuse after Pelicot

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RedToothBrush · 25/05/2025 10:36

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg559zz3d8o

This is worth a read. It's about the trial in France of a surgeon abusing children.

The last paragraph is the real killer and worth thinking about...

A more wary assessment came from the lawyer, Ms Guedj-Benayoun.

"Now, there is a very important standoff between those who want to denounce child sexual violence and those who want to cover it up, and this standoff is taking place today in this trial. Who will win?" she wondered.

It's indicative of institutional coverup and self service. Pelicot was different in a way because it was about individuals rather than the establishment and organisations.

It highlights how much institutions protect abusers. And continue to protect themselves without regard to victims long after a scandal is exposed.

Many things to ponder here.

Men and women outside a courthouse in France hold their hands over their mouths in protest

Victims in French Le Scouarnec child abuse trial shocked at public indifference

The trial of France's most prolific known paedophile comes to an end this week amid widespread frustration.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg559zz3d8o

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loveyouradvice · 25/05/2025 12:31

this is so shocking.... really, why are not more people talking about it in France? It does not make sense

RedToothBrush · 25/05/2025 12:20

PhilippaGeorgiou · 25/05/2025 11:55

Long standing and known paedophiles in Rochdale were not all "Pakistani", and nor are many paedophiles - including the one in France in this story. Paedophiles do not belong to one section of society. It is knee jerk reactions like this - focussing on personal prejudices that tar an entire section of society for the actions of a few - that make discussions volatile. Catholics are not paedophiles. Pakistani's are not paedophiles. Some adults, mainly but not exclusively, men are paedophiles. They come from every walk of life, and demonising one section of society for the actions of a few of them allows the others to walk unseen.

I'm not sure what your problem is.

No one has suggested otherwise on this thread.

You are part of the problem with an attitude like that.

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MarieDeGournay · 25/05/2025 12:14

I agree with much of what you say, PhilippaGeorgiou.

For years it was 'look what happened in the catholic church!' and then it was revealed that it was happening in all religions.
It was 'look what happened in Ireland!' and then it was revealed that it was happening everywhere.
It was 'it's a witch-hunt, he's a celebrity/a friend of royalty/on the telly every week/a fundraiser for charity' and then it was revealed it was Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter and R Kelly and so many more..
It was 'but it's only a few perverts!' and then it was revealed that it was fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles, pillars of society, decent blokes, lovely neighbours.

In Ireland, the term 'sexual abuse of children' was almost replaced in the public mind by 'clerical abuse of children', although that was only a small part of the sexual abuse of children happening everywhere.

Every case of organised, large-scale abuse of children must be fully investigated and dealt with, but we have to be careful not to let the everyday abuse of children that goes on in so many places, including family homes and online, slide under the radar as a consequence.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 25/05/2025 12:13

Meadowfinch · 25/05/2025 11:58

Are you actually claiming that the parts of the Catholic church that are not paedophiles, have been good at exposing the sins of their fellow priests @PhilippaGeorgiou

How can you ignore the fact that the institution of the Catholic church which includes ALL of them, right the way up to the pope, has set out from the start to protect their own.

Much like the Church of England.

Edited

Are you saying that all Catholics are paedophiles? There is - as I pointed out - a very large difference between saying that "ALL" (your word) Catholics are paedophiles or have conspired to cover up child sexual abuse, and the actual facts that SOME people in all walks of life are paedophiles and that as a society generally be need to address how this is ignored or brushed aside ACROSS society.

But thanks for ably demonstrating my point - I should have known better than to think that there could be a rational discussion.

Meadowfinch · 25/05/2025 11:58

PhilippaGeorgiou · 25/05/2025 11:55

Long standing and known paedophiles in Rochdale were not all "Pakistani", and nor are many paedophiles - including the one in France in this story. Paedophiles do not belong to one section of society. It is knee jerk reactions like this - focussing on personal prejudices that tar an entire section of society for the actions of a few - that make discussions volatile. Catholics are not paedophiles. Pakistani's are not paedophiles. Some adults, mainly but not exclusively, men are paedophiles. They come from every walk of life, and demonising one section of society for the actions of a few of them allows the others to walk unseen.

Are you actually claiming that the parts of the Catholic church that are not paedophiles, have been good at exposing the sins of their fellow priests @PhilippaGeorgiou

How can you ignore the fact that the institution of the Catholic church which includes ALL of them, right the way up to the pope, has set out from the start to protect their own.

Much like the Church of England.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 25/05/2025 11:55

Long standing and known paedophiles in Rochdale were not all "Pakistani", and nor are many paedophiles - including the one in France in this story. Paedophiles do not belong to one section of society. It is knee jerk reactions like this - focussing on personal prejudices that tar an entire section of society for the actions of a few - that make discussions volatile. Catholics are not paedophiles. Pakistani's are not paedophiles. Some adults, mainly but not exclusively, men are paedophiles. They come from every walk of life, and demonising one section of society for the actions of a few of them allows the others to walk unseen.

Meadowfinch · 25/05/2025 11:53

I think France is about 30 years behind the UK in dealing with historical child abuse. They're still at the 'pretend it didn't happen and it might go away' stage.

That's the Catholic church for you !!

But don't imagine I think the UK has got it right because we still have a very long way to go.

Gardeninging · 25/05/2025 11:35

That's what the BBC did with their institutional enabling of child sex abuse.

Can't let anyone know otherwise we'll look bad!

The Catholic Church is another story entirely. That was more like "come here if you want to abuse children because we are one of you".

Every council in our country who has protected and thereby enabled Pakistani paedophile rings in Rotherham, Rochdale, Newcastle and Greater Manchester have sunk to the same low.
Cover it up.or we'll lose funding!

Never mind children getting raped. Who cares.
Self interest is what matters. Can't be called racist or transphobic at any cost.

The people who run our country are sick. Deranged, even. Total sociopaths.