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Can we lay this to rest, once and for all?

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HelenaWaiting · 24/05/2025 14:47

I'm disabled. I have MS and a congenital heart condition. I'm wheelchair dependent. Only if you are disabled or a carer do you understand how difficult it is to find a disabled toilet (there is always just one), how disappointing it is to find that toilet occupied, and how infuriating to discover that the occupant was some twat trying on a dress. So please, please stop saying "trans people can use disabled toilets". I've been fielding that particular curve ball for years but now we have Kemi Fucking Badenoch saying it. (No, she's not great. No she's not on our side. She's an entitled, vacuous, talent-free zone. She just happens to be a gender critical entitled, vacuous, talent-free zone). I can't wait for the loo as long as you can. I don't get as much warning as you. I can't hold onto it as efficiently as you. And I have no desire to piss myself in a shopping centre because some hulking great bloke in an ill-fitting dress is touching up his make-up. Disabled people campaigned for years for accessible toilets. There still aren't enough of them. Please don't hand them over to a group of people who have chosen to have a problem.

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potpourree · 24/05/2025 15:22

Oh hang on, is this because a TRA has said 'well we can't use disabled spaces, that would be wrong' - implying that's what women are asking for? Yeah, don't fall for it.

potpourree · 24/05/2025 15:22

Please don't hand them over to a group of people who have chosen to have a problem.

I'm sure you know that these toilets don't belong to feminists, so we can't "hand them over".
We can, as we have been doing for years upon years, ask people who don't like to use single-sex, mixed-gender toilets for their sex, ask them to campaign for these spaces.

The point you make about not using disabled toilets unnecessarily has been made by gender-critical people countless times. I don't think anyone disagrees with it.

Ddakji · 24/05/2025 15:16

Maaate · 24/05/2025 15:13

Reddit is that way ----->

That's where the TiMs your message is aimed at are, they won't see it posted on here

No, she’s asking for GC people not to use this argument.

FortyElephants · 24/05/2025 15:14

100% agree!
there's no reason for any men to avoid using the men's toilets. Why should they?

Maaate · 24/05/2025 15:13

Reddit is that way ----->

That's where the TiMs your message is aimed at are, they won't see it posted on here

nauticant · 24/05/2025 15:09

Are you asking for trans people to campaign to have their own spaces rather than to colonise others'?

But that would be something like genocide!