Have I completely misunderstood GCSE biology...

I can't tell you how much I like this. And I don't give a fuck if it's petty 😃

I don't think we heard again from the PP who claimed to have Klinefelter's and to have given birth? I would love to hear more about them and why they believe this to be possible. Who told them that this was the case? Willfully lying or sadly misinformed?

And very very few people have anything other than XX or XY sex chromosomes. Where would they have got "alternative facts" about that from?

I have a question

Women - 'we don't want to share space with transwomen as we are concerned about male violence'

Trans women - 'omg you are accusing all transwomen about being violent, one trans woman offending doesn't mean all trans women are offenders

Also trans women 'we don't want to share space with cis men as we are concerned about male violence'

Not all men are violent so surely by applying their logic back to them they should be ok to share with men.

I’ve lived as a woman for all my years and have never done two out of three of those.

I’m curious, if I were a man who wanted to live as a woman/present as a woman, what changes would I need to make?

One of the reasons it has been so hard to have rational discussions with the transactivist lobby is that they lie with impunity. It undermines EVERYTHING else that they say.

Sex isn't a spectrum. It's binary.
There is no overlap between male and female hormone profiles.
Almost everyone on the planet is XX or XY and the small percentage who are not, are all still male or female.
You cannot be female and have XXXY chromosomes. It's a condition that only affects men.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

It’s not twaddle. It’s a fact.

eg caster Semenya is male with a DSD only men have, which is 46 XY 5-ARD (5-alpha-reductase deficiency).

I don’t think I know what you’re talking about but I think I definitely agree with you!

Autie seems to have some significant blind spots in their thinking.

1. Women seeking to exclude any and all males from single sex provision for females has nothing to do with trans issues. It’s to do with wanting a female only space. There is nothing that can be said, good or bad, about transwoman, that has any relevance.
2. Their experience of their trans in law and what does/doesn’t make them comfortable has no relevance to single sex provision
3. This thread is about biology. Transwomen are only transwomen because they are male. Being male should preclude access to female only provision, regardless of other characteristics a male has.

Look at this picture @Autie

Single sex public toilet design is on the left. Because of several factors involving male behaviour, some of the newer single sex toilets have changed and are often more private like the design on the right. Like the new ‘standard’ in secondary schools.

I want it to go back to the design on the left and single sex toilets are still the only designs that can have gaps for health and safety, under the regulations. The Supreme Court ruling will assist that happening in public places and schools.

Single sex toilet design is the safest. The only reason ‘gender’ comes into it is that it is a big factor on why the design changed.

Everyone should remember people at their most vulnerable in toilets - in reality that could be anyone who has been spiked, having a heart attack or stroke. 1 in 3 people will have a seizure in their life. There is a heart attack every five minutes in this country, same with strokes. That involves everyone, irrespective of belief. Now factor in the millions of people who are more vulnerable with epilepsy, diabetes and heart conditions.

Where do you go when you feel ill in public? Lots of public places have defibrillators now because they can save someone’s life if you use them quick enough. Why not assist that by having single sex toilets?

As this topic was originally about human biology, I will also mention the biology of other species: there’s a lesser concentration of microbes in the air and floor of the toilet on the left too. They are much easier to clean.

This is just a post on health and medical conditions. I haven’t even mentioned assaults yet, but I can tell you single sex designs prevent them happening in the first place. Guess why.

So by this principle, he becomes a man again whenever he strips off to have a shower or bath?

Also, and apologies for the directness here, but could you clarify if he's still a woman while he's doing whatever with his cock? Pissing out of it, wanking, etc. You know, male things.

Just trying to pin down your logic here. Thanks.

And also, there's loads of examples ....

Ooh, ooh, now do the photos where teeny tiny Buck is standing beside an absolutely massively tall transwoman (i think it was Laverne?) or one of the unfiltered pictures of the dude on the right!

Or....

Perhaps lean into the reality based GC view that people should use the toilet which aligns with their sex rather than access being contingent on how 'pretty' someone is.

The judgement was forced by several cases in the legal system in Scotland. One where a trans woman was placed in a female prison whilst on remand awaiting trial. The transition occurred sometime between arrest and sentencing, under the existing law she would be housed separately but still in female prison full of, let's face it women who have been damaged in some way often by a man. Whether the transition was a genuine descision that explained the previous hatred of women or an attempt to escape justice we'll never know.

The male sex class on the whole pose a threat to the female sex class.

THAT, is why we have separate intimate facilities and changerooms.

That because the majority of males don't hurt females, does NOT negate the need for female only spaces. We operate on the 'one is one too many' theory.

Exactly. Actual women don't need to do any of those.

That there, is the difference.

Ah, so you prove that trans is all sexist stereotypes. If a male wears womens clothing, he is....suddenly a woman. According to you. You realise many women wear trousers, right? Does that make us men? In your narrow and shallow mindset it does. After all, being a female is just sexist 'performing' of womanhood.

Telling people that's how they wish to be treated.
Ah yes. The male tells women how he wishes to be treated. And us women must obey. The internalised misogyny in you is palpable.

Do you even realise that transwomen are males with PENIS AND TESTICLES?

Are you seriously saying you'd happily get changed in front of a stranger intact male?

Is that what you're asking us to believe????
????

Conspiracy theories are believing that because a male 'lives as a woman' (whatever that means) for a few years and chops their dick off that they're now suddenly a female and entitled to violate, as the oppressor sex class, the oppressed sex class's safe single sex spaces. That, is the highest conspiracy theory of all. Next to blackface.

We don't give a fuck what he did. He is not a female. No more than Rachel Dolezal (google her) is African American because as a white anglo saxon she bronzes her skin and has her hair done in an afro style and self-IDs as an African American is actually one. They are both frauds, pretenders.

So it's you that is incredibly misinformed.

Any MALE in a female space, is automatically a predator. That's it. Full stop. Period. There is no reason for a male (whether in a dress or in a suit and tie) to be in a female ONLY space. Even Germaine Greer foresaw this happen in 1979!

Yes there have been. And transwomen exposing themselves to women and masturbating there. This thread has evidence: x.com/HawkeyeTownsend/status/1925212259422265824

But it's not just that. It's the rights of the oppressed sex class - females, to have a safe single sex space away from male gaze, not just for safety, but for privacy and dignity. Do you not wonder why we have male and female changing rooms, in the first place?

It's not just about safety Its about PRIVACY and dignity away from the male gaze. Women flee from males to the toilets. Seek support from other women. Miscarry. Cry. Rinse out blood-stained underwear at the sink and Mooncups. Get changed for clubbing out in the open near the sinks. Adjust ourselves such as our bra. Males in that space traumatise us.

Oh ffs you are throwing up every old tired debunked argument, myth and trope we've seen at least 3 thousand times. Do you honestly think you're the first to present these 'arguments'? We've seen these arguments at least 3 thousand times on here. They are as weak, pitiful and pathetic and absurd and batshit now as they were 2999 times before.

Not even the most ardent trans activist uses the photo test anymore. You realise photoshop can do wonders? It's in person, it is in the MOTION: the gait, not just the voice, adams apple, lack of hips, square jaw, height, limb size, hand size, philtrum width etc etc etc.

I doubt I've read a thread with so much dsd bullshit on it. Dsd are real therefore trans women are women. Nope can't deal with this shit today.

Most of those cases were setups.

Regardless, that does not mean we remove all the hard work our foremother feminists did, and destroy female only spaces. Women understandably being on high alert, is the result of males entering our spaces, in the first place.