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proximalhumerous · 2025-05-23T17:15:40+00:00

...or is the purpose of spotting an anomaly not specifically ^to disregard it in order that it doesn't lead to an inaccurate conclusion^? If so, why is everyone fixating on DSDs as "proof" that sex is a spectrum, when the anomalous 1.7% (if indeed it is as high as that - from what I've read that figure is only achieved if you include conditions such as PCOS which have a tenuous claim at best to be one of the "intersex" variations) is clearly a set of results that ^don't fit^. Because something has deviated from the norm. It's not like calculating the mean of a range of heights, FFS. Please can someone more scientific than me explain what is going on here? Or is it simply that certain factions are so hell-bent on arguing that anyone with ladyfeels can be a woman they're happy to completely disregard any sort of science or logic in order to do so?

Namelessnelly · 14/11/2025 10:18

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:07

Had and done both, thanks

Let me guess you’ve got 2kids? It seems to be a thing with TRA posters. They all have 2kids. So I'm assuming you didn’t have your 20 week scan then? If you think sex is assigned at birth you must have missed that one. So about these males giving birth…. Where did the baby come out? Because you said it was someone “assigned male at birth”. So there must have male genitalia. So where exactly did the baby come out of? Where did it gestate? In a box?

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 10:18

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:16

Interesting assertion.
You are aware that many civilisations ALWAYS recognised and reversed the fact that some people just aren't what you might describe as 'male or female', aren't you?

Gender non conforming people have existed throughout history.

That does not mean there was ever any ambiguity about whether they were men or women

Greyskybluesky · 14/11/2025 10:17

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:16

Interesting assertion.
You are aware that many civilisations ALWAYS recognised and reversed the fact that some people just aren't what you might describe as 'male or female', aren't you?

Hijira incoming!

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:16

Interesting assertion.
You are aware that many civilisations ALWAYS recognised and reversed the fact that some people just aren't what you might describe as 'male or female', aren't you?

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 10:15

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:13

I'm afraid you've completely misunderstood the words "fact" and "evidence" on one hand, and 'made up, unevidenced, non factual nonsense', on the other

This is hilarious! Do keep em coming, I love a good argument on a Friday

Greyskybluesky · 14/11/2025 10:15

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 10:13

No they don't.

Homestly, what utter shit.

They will apply testing until they understand the nature of the DSD.

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I guess they toss a coin

Not so easy in the age of digital payment

Cappuccinosisters · 14/11/2025 10:14

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:58

Could I suggest just opening the research provided as it will answer all the questions you might have about male pregnancy and childbirth.

Male pregnancy?
I don’t think there’s been any reported case of a fully XY individual getting pregnant naturally?
Sometimes in the case of DSDs the karyotype is mixed XX/XY and pregnancy is then possible (though rare). There is a report of a natural pregnancy in someone whose karotype was 96% XY.
But not 100%, there’s no evidence of that.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:13

I'm afraid you've completely misunderstood the words "fact" and "evidence" on one hand, and 'made up, unevidenced, non factual nonsense', on the other

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 10:13

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:12

....and when medics simply CANNOT tell what sex the child might be - after every possible test - as happens in the UK and right round the world - the parent in the UK must ARBITRARILY tick one out of two boxes.
It is an administrative function

No they don't.

Homestly, what utter shit.

They will apply testing until they understand the nature of the DSD.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 10:13

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:12

....and when medics simply CANNOT tell what sex the child might be - after every possible test - as happens in the UK and right round the world - the parent in the UK must ARBITRARILY tick one out of two boxes.
It is an administrative function

You are somewhat outdated in your understanding of this.

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 10:13

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:12

....and when medics simply CANNOT tell what sex the child might be - after every possible test - as happens in the UK and right round the world - the parent in the UK must ARBITRARILY tick one out of two boxes.
It is an administrative function

No. These days they do genetic testing on the very very small number of babies who fall into this category. Nobody arbitrarily assigns them a sex.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:12

....and when medics simply CANNOT tell what sex the child might be - after every possible test - as happens in the UK and right round the world - the parent in the UK must ARBITRARILY tick one out of two boxes.
It is an administrative function

lcakethereforeIam · 14/11/2025 10:11

I said the use of words 'male, female....etc' predate ANY understanding of biology.

Could be a radical new explanation for why the dinosaurs became extinct.

They couldn't have been destroyed by a comet. There was no word then for 'comet' so it couldn't have existed.

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 10:11

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:07

Had and done both, thanks

Except your argument is wrong and the “evidence” doesn’t prove it. Are you unable to understand what actual fact and evidence is?

clue: it’s not just asserting wishful thinking and making up stories, then linking to a paper that you haven’t read that shows the exact opposite.

Greyskybluesky · 14/11/2025 10:09

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:00

Interesting, but wrong.
Medical science doesn't assign anything in the UK. That is done by the Registrar, which is NOT medical anything.
And in the UK, even when it is absolutely impossible for any medic to ascertain "sex", the parent must still arbitrarily tick one of two boxes, which is the "assignment of sex". It is an administrative function. Not biological.

The existence of pre-natal sexing scans/tests is an inconvenient fact that blows a massive hole in your "assignment by the registrar" point

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:09

It is not "my" research
It is the medical research as published by the leading clinicians in the Journal or Neonatal and Fetal Medicine and numerous other journals

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:07

Had and done both, thanks

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2025 10:07

This is a talk board, not a research seminar. If you want to rely on “evidence” you’ll have to explain it.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 14/11/2025 10:07

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:00

Interesting, but wrong.
Medical science doesn't assign anything in the UK. That is done by the Registrar, which is NOT medical anything.
And in the UK, even when it is absolutely impossible for any medic to ascertain "sex", the parent must still arbitrarily tick one of two boxes, which is the "assignment of sex". It is an administrative function. Not biological.

That's not "assignment of sex" that's registering the birth. It's not some arbitrary process. If there is any ambiguity as to which sex the baby is then genetic studies will be performed before the birth is registered.

spannasaurus · 14/11/2025 10:06

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:04

Sanluca, having given the link for all the actual medical research that shows it dies happen repeatedly, the reasonable thing to do would be to open the link and learn, rather than just asserting stuff that is known to be wrong.

Could you quote the part from the research you linked to that says male humans have given birth

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 10:06

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:00

Interesting, but wrong.
Medical science doesn't assign anything in the UK. That is done by the Registrar, which is NOT medical anything.
And in the UK, even when it is absolutely impossible for any medic to ascertain "sex", the parent must still arbitrarily tick one of two boxes, which is the "assignment of sex". It is an administrative function. Not biological.

Says someone who clearly has never had a baby or registered one. Do you think you just pop along and the registrar says ‘so what sex shall we assigned to your baby?’

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2025 10:06

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:02

No. Medicine does not publish "names" of anyone for anything. There are such things as privacy rights.
The research and tables of known and studied cases is available to you.

Can you quote the text of one of these cases, so we can understand what the circumstances were? If you can’t, I think we’ll all be able to draw our own conclusions.

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 10:06

nicepotoftea · 14/11/2025 10:03

As a brain surgeon what they mean and you'll get one answer. An endocrinologist will say something completely different. A fertility clinician will have a different understanding to a geneticist.

I think I would go with the opinion of the doctor who understands how babies are made.

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To be fair, no self respecting brain surgeon believes that a person with testes is a woman because of 'brain features'

Namelessnelly · 14/11/2025 10:05

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:02

No. Medicine does not publish "names" of anyone for anything. There are such things as privacy rights.
The research and tables of known and studied cases is available to you.

Nah mate. A male giving birth would have been worldwide news and huge swathes of research papers published. No male has ever given birth. Not one. You’re kind of overegging your cake now.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:04

Sanluca, having given the link for all the actual medical research that shows it dies happen repeatedly, the reasonable thing to do would be to open the link and learn, rather than just asserting stuff that is known to be wrong.