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New Pride window in Belfast City Hall

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TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 17:23

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1925882503417454717?t=LdPsR5-OaXqN7CJw6pFKlA&s=19

The slogan on the window

"Save Sodomy from Ulster"
It celebrates inclusivity apparently and is the Lord Mayor's proudest moment as the city's Mayor.

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1925882503417454717?s=19&t=LdPsR5-OaXqN7CJw6pFKlA

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TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:39

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:14

You might want to take a look at what the good rate paying people of Belfast are saying, and it’s not a ringing endorsement. He seems to have form for spending large sums on things that people don’t believe are necessary, the FOI requests are piling up!

Ok, so it's still not on Belfast Live. I'm surprised because they print anything that'll get them clicks and comments.

Where are you seeing this?

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:34

It’s quite simply an opportunity for this man to virtue signal his ‘goodness'

He didn't commission it. Hes not responsible for it. He unveiled it and said nice things. He's the mayor. It's his job. What do you want him to do?Confused

SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 22:31

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 22:07

A good standard of aesthetic attractiveness would be an achievement.

There are boys who paint muriels on the estates who, well, their work isn't popular with everyone on political grounds, but they know not to make their image too busy.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:30

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:14

You might want to take a look at what the good rate paying people of Belfast are saying, and it’s not a ringing endorsement. He seems to have form for spending large sums on things that people don’t believe are necessary, the FOI requests are piling up!

Is it on Belfast Live? I checked at the start of the thread but there was nothing. Or are you seeing it somewhere else?

Going over to have a look now.🙈

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:09

The mayor didn't commission it. The council did. He just unveiled it and said the same sort of stuff people doing unveiling say.😆

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I don’t recall saying that he commissioned it, how is that relevant?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:14

You might want to take a look at what the good rate paying people of Belfast are saying, and it’s not a ringing endorsement. He seems to have form for spending large sums on things that people don’t believe are necessary, the FOI requests are piling up!

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:09

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:05

I don’t think the money needed to be spent at all at this point when there are so many people in need. It’s quite simply an opportunity for this man to virtue signal his ‘goodness’, people in his position are always thinking about their ‘legacies’, and not about real people in real need.

The mayor didn't commission it. The council did. He just unveiled it and said the same sort of stuff people doing unveiling say.😆

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:07

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 22:07

A good standard of aesthetic attractiveness would be an achievement.

This ⬆️😂

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 22:07

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:00

What do you think a stained glass window commemorating history can or should achieve?Confused

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A good standard of aesthetic attractiveness would be an achievement.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:07

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 21:42

Perhaps, but it could have celebrated it better.

What a pity they couldn't have come up with something that celebrates the people (not all of them rate payers, surely) who campaigned for lesbian and gay rights in a piece of work that is less garish and graphically confused.

I don't find it garish, but that's personal taste I know. I think it's very clear. What's confusing you?

not all of them rate payers, surely
Who, what are you talking about?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 22:05

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:00

What do you think a stained glass window commemorating history can or should achieve?Confused

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I don’t think the money needed to be spent at all at this point when there are so many people in need. It’s quite simply an opportunity for this man to virtue signal his ‘goodness’, people in his position are always thinking about their ‘legacies’, and not about real people in real need.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 22:00

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 21:39

Could you tell me something I don’t know? What does this window actually achieve NOW? When people everywhere are struggling to pay their mortgages and bills and feed their children, but sure, go and look at a £25k stained glass window, I’m sure that’ll make the kids less hungry.

What do you think a stained glass window commemorating history can or should achieve?Confused

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 21:42

Perhaps, but it could have celebrated it better.

What a pity they couldn't have come up with something that celebrates the people (not all of them rate payers, surely) who campaigned for lesbian and gay rights in a piece of work that is less garish and graphically confused.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 21:39

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 21:27

It appeals to the people who were there. The Belfast rate payers who campaigned for gay rights. Who know the story told by the window. The history of a place where homophobia was so rife that political and church leaders protested against the natural, factual state of human homosexuality.

It celebrates something that was achieved.

Could you tell me something I don’t know? What does this window actually achieve NOW? When people everywhere are struggling to pay their mortgages and bills and feed their children, but sure, go and look at a £25k stained glass window, I’m sure that’ll make the kids less hungry.

SirChenjins · 23/05/2025 21:39

Didn’t Pride ban the organisation that fights against homophobia from attending their events?

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 21:27

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 20:08

Sadly, you’re not wrong. It appeals to people who want to present as tolerant and inclusive, gets lols and likes on SM, but in real terms it achieves absolutely nothing for the people whom it’s supposed to represent.

It appeals to the people who were there. The Belfast rate payers who campaigned for gay rights. Who know the story told by the window. The history of a place where homophobia was so rife that political and church leaders protested against the natural, factual state of human homosexuality.

It celebrates something that was achieved.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 21:19

Belfast has a great art scene. Not as great as it was before we Brexited, but pretty good all the same.

What specifically do you like to take the piss out of @SionnachRuadh?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 21:17

suggestionsplease1 · 23/05/2025 20:27

Perhaps you should offer up some fresh content that doesn't lend itself so readily to this?

Suggestions please @suggestionsplease1 but obviously thank you for yet another attempt at policing what we discuss on here, you never fail to disappoint.

SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 21:13

I sometimes take the piss out of Belfast's pretensions to having an arts scene, but there are artists in the city who can create something a bit more visually appealing than this jumble of slogans and logos.

But I suppose municipal art is usually disappointing.

It's also very much on brand for Alliance to wrap themselves in a struggle that not only took place before Micky Murray was born - he can't help that - but that, when it might have made a difference, they couldn't run away from quick enough.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 23/05/2025 21:12

teawamutu · 23/05/2025 20:23

Damnit LBH are you hoarding all the shadowy right wing cash?

I've been TERFing for free for bloody years. I want my cut!

I am rolling in it @teawamutu I’ll throw a secret underground party later this year and I’ll divvy up, I promise 😂

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 21:06

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 20:05

What else could be the motivation? Genuinely?

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Some people are of the opinion that it's confused, garish, and disappointing, which is a shame as it is commemorating something that deserved a much better example of stained glass art.

Is that OK with you? or will you dismiss it as
'homophobia, you don't need to dress it up in faux hand wringing.'

Or even real hand wringing, presumably?Smile

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 21:05

SirChenjins · 23/05/2025 20:08

Why is he proud of an organisation that has such little respect for the legal rights of women? Always a misogynist bloke behind these things.

Huh?

It marks an important time and fight for gay rights in NI. What's misogynist about that?

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 20:58

The sodomy reference is a bit immature. Yeah yeah, we get the Paisley reference, but turning the words around does not make it funny, and certainly does not make it relevant to a lesbian and gay-themed design - sodomy?

It's relevant to what it's commemorating. It's what the protestors wore.

Duckyfondant · 23/05/2025 20:46

One doesn't need to be homophobic to realise it looks shit.

YesYesAllGood · 23/05/2025 20:36

shoofly · 23/05/2025 20:09

Clearly someone who has no clue about what councils are responsible for in Northern Ireland. Quick clue it isn't libraries, healthcare, or schools....

I know what councils are responsible for in NI. I live there. It’s my general annoyance at what public money gets spent on. Priorities aren’t right across the board. Yes, I know it’s a bit unreasonable but it’s what I think right now after the struggling people I’ve interacted with today.