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What exactly will all of these organisations do when the EHRC publishes the consultation ?

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Orangemintcream · 23/05/2025 13:40

These companies and organisations that are “waiting for guidance” (that clearly have their own legal teams or access to one to advise them) what will they do when it is published and yet again reiterates the law ?

Ignore it ?
Tantrum ?
Comply ?

What exactly are they hoping for with keep delaying ?

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WallaceinAnderland · 23/05/2025 15:29

I think most companies will comply. A lot of them already are. In fact, I think it will be a welcome relief to them.

Back when the whole nation was captured - police cars painted, trains painted, road crossings coloured, every shop from decorated, lesbians kicked out of pride, governments saying that women had penises, the prime minister saying that 'only women have a cervix' is wrong and should not be said...

Everyone had to go along with it or be branded hateful, transphobic, bigot, terf, etc. They went after businesses. Advertisers had to toe the line. So did publishers and the media. Everything, it was absolutely everyone.

There was no choice. Businesses simply could not afford to not join in. It wasn't enough to sit back, they had to pay Stonewall to be on the 'good' list and they had to virtue signal to show the world and keep themselves safe. They were terrified. It was very much a 'do it to Julia' situation.

So now, the highest court in the land says that has to stop. It's out of their hands. They have no choice. They must comply with the law. And I think they will.

The rest will slowly get sued.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:29

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 15:27

I’m pretty sure H&M have unisex changing rooms with curtains.

They'll have to address that.

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 15:27

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:20

You do if they are mixed sex. The law says so.

I’m pretty sure H&M have unisex changing rooms with curtains.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:25

Myalternate · 23/05/2025 15:21

My nearest M&S has unisex changing rooms with large cubicles and lockable doors. It’s set out in an ‘L’ shape. The longer part of the ‘L’ is for women and the shorter section has cubicles for men. No men are sent towards the women’s area and the staff direct the men to their own section.

Is it likely they’d need to alter anything?

Sounds as if that is compliant. Fully lockable, full length doors and directions for customers towards male and female areas?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 15:25

Myalternate · 23/05/2025 15:21

My nearest M&S has unisex changing rooms with large cubicles and lockable doors. It’s set out in an ‘L’ shape. The longer part of the ‘L’ is for women and the shorter section has cubicles for men. No men are sent towards the women’s area and the staff direct the men to their own section.

Is it likely they’d need to alter anything?

Just be honest and label them as mixed sex so that people can make an informed choice? Think you'll find M & S have to date avoided transparency and honesty about all this.

Myalternate · 23/05/2025 15:21

My nearest M&S has unisex changing rooms with large cubicles and lockable doors. It’s set out in an ‘L’ shape. The longer part of the ‘L’ is for women and the shorter section has cubicles for men. No men are sent towards the women’s area and the staff direct the men to their own section.

Is it likely they’d need to alter anything?

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:20

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 15:11

I’m not sure they do have to have lockable doors for changing rooms in shops. Ultimately you’re not obliged to change there. It’s not like a workplace where you have to get changed into a uniform. It’s whether they’ll risk the potential hit in terms of customers.

You do if they are mixed sex. The law says so.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:18

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 15:14

Because if you have mixed sex you don’t have to worry about whether you’re correctly applying the single sex exceptions allowed in the Equality Act. It’s moot.

But you still have to ensure compliance around solid doors, integral basins etc

You can't just make everything mixed sex without doing anything to comply.

CassOle · 23/05/2025 15:17

Once it becomes clear that insurance policies will be invalid if the law is not followed, I expect that most organisations will comply with the law quick-smart. It may take a couple of high profile tribunals/court cases, but then all that will be left are the dyed-in-the-wool ideological organisations.

I wait to see what happens with Stonewall, Mermaids, et al.

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 15:14

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:08

Why would they do that if they currently have single sex, though? Adding one unisex single occupancy unit woud be far easier for them.

Because if you have mixed sex you don’t have to worry about whether you’re correctly applying the single sex exceptions allowed in the Equality Act. It’s moot.

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 15:11

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:05

I can't see it! Currently they still tend to have single sex. If they do go the unisex route they will have to fork out for compliant cubicles ( no curtains, only solid, lockable doors)

I'm not one for shopping in big stores ( apart from J.Lewis which still has single sex facilities).....what are your experiences of the big clothing stores? What do they have?

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I’m not sure they do have to have lockable doors for changing rooms in shops. Ultimately you’re not obliged to change there. It’s not like a workplace where you have to get changed into a uniform. It’s whether they’ll risk the potential hit in terms of customers.

terryleather · 23/05/2025 15:10

It’s really cheering that so many of you seem to have a more positive take on this than I do…I really want you all to be right and myself to be wrong (not something I can often be heard saying!)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 15:10

Some may be reluctant to comply and make it difficult for women but as night follows day, the steady stream of men claiming to be women who evidence either through their criminal sexual misbehaviour or their anti social, aggressive behaviour that they should be nowhere near undressing women and girls will sabotage themselves.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pissed-off-trannies-ehrc-protest/

We're seeing the tantrums from men who've never been told no and their useful idiot allies.

Trans Activists Left Over 60 Bottles of Piss Outside the EHRC

Pissed Off Trannies (POT) staged the dramatic demonstration to protest the equality watchdog's exclusionary policy on single-sex spaces.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pissed-off-trannies-ehrc-protest/

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:08

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 14:58

Large stores could just make all changing rooms mixed sex.

Why would they do that if they currently have single sex, though? Adding one unisex single occupancy unit woud be far easier for them.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:06

LlynTegid · 23/05/2025 15:03

Some I think will ignore it as long as they don't think that litigation will follow. I agree about mixed sex changing rooms becoming more common.

Can you name some stores which have this arrangement?

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 15:05

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 14:58

Large stores could just make all changing rooms mixed sex.

I can't see it! Currently they still tend to have single sex. If they do go the unisex route they will have to fork out for compliant cubicles ( no curtains, only solid, lockable doors)

I'm not one for shopping in big stores ( apart from J.Lewis which still has single sex facilities).....what are your experiences of the big clothing stores? What do they have?

Smoronic · 23/05/2025 15:04

My organisation is run, like many others, by older white men. They have no idea what this all about, have not engaged with any of it, so the 'wait until guidance' message is because they are a bit bewildered that it's a thing that is happening they now need to take notice of.

LlynTegid · 23/05/2025 15:03

Some I think will ignore it as long as they don't think that litigation will follow. I agree about mixed sex changing rooms becoming more common.

rebmacesrevda · 23/05/2025 15:02

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 14:58

Large stores could just make all changing rooms mixed sex.

They could, and I'd be interested to see how much custom they'd lose in doing so. I wonder how many customer complaints it'd take for them to comply...

BackToLurk · 23/05/2025 14:58

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 14:48

Large businesses such as chain stores, bars and restaurants will implement the law fairly quickly. They have lots to lose through reputational damage, which they are acutely sensitive to, and also won't want to compromise their public liability insurances etc.

The NHS will quickly have to fall into line.....and the upcoming judgment in the Sandie Peggie case will inevitably see to that. Wes streeting seems quite unequivocal too.

I imagine large corporate workplaces will simply install more unisex facilities alogside the single sex they are obliged to by law to provide.

Entertainment venues will quickly comply.

Sports bodies will quite quickly fall into line.

School governing bodies will comply fairly quickly in spite of what the NEU does or does not say or do.

The main objectors are going to be sections of the Labour Party, the Green Party, the Lib Dems and the trade unions....all of whom are motivated by political ideology and having spent years on trans activism.

Large stores could just make all changing rooms mixed sex.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 14:53

ArabellaScott · 23/05/2025 14:44

I guess they are waiting for cases to be brought and/or for big organisations to ignore so they can follow suit.

Why there are still men in womens prisons, for example, is a fucking outrage.

The Labour party and Kier Starmer are going to have to be very unequivocal on the matter.......because they know that Reform are waiting in the wings, and that is their main priority.

Starmer has a lot on his plate internationally at present.....but he's going to have to be clear at some point soon.....and once the government is clear ( in spite of backbench fury) then that will signal to the recalcitrants that they have to fall into line. The public has no interest in the political game playing of trans activists.

WarriorN · 23/05/2025 14:50

Also, as others have pointed out in a few places it’s possible that insurance may be invalid if they don’t comply

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 14:48

Large businesses such as chain stores, bars and restaurants will implement the law fairly quickly. They have lots to lose through reputational damage, which they are acutely sensitive to, and also won't want to compromise their public liability insurances etc.

The NHS will quickly have to fall into line.....and the upcoming judgment in the Sandie Peggie case will inevitably see to that. Wes streeting seems quite unequivocal too.

I imagine large corporate workplaces will simply install more unisex facilities alogside the single sex they are obliged to by law to provide.

Entertainment venues will quickly comply.

Sports bodies will quite quickly fall into line.

School governing bodies will comply fairly quickly in spite of what the NEU does or does not say or do.

The main objectors are going to be sections of the Labour Party, the Green Party, the Lib Dems and the trade unions....all of whom are motivated by political ideology and having spent years on trans activism.

ArabellaScott · 23/05/2025 14:44

I guess they are waiting for cases to be brought and/or for big organisations to ignore so they can follow suit.

Why there are still men in womens prisons, for example, is a fucking outrage.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/05/2025 14:38

I expect only the most ideologically captured would be so foolhardy....so the trade unions, for one.

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