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‘Trans children more likely to be white and privileged’ says head

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hholiday · 23/05/2025 06:08

In The Times today. https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/trans-children-white-privilege-katherine-birbalsingh-73d578v7q

There is no statistical evidence of the headteacher’s claim in the article (it’s anecdotal, based on the fact she teaches at an inner city London school and says it’s not really an issue there). And the Cass review and others have given other explanations for the transgender trend among young people, eg autism. But I thought it was really interesting it was being discussed at all - and so bluntly. It would be interesting if this view does get looked into a bit more, as I suspect if there’s one thing likely to bring the transgender movement skidding to a halt among kids, it would be the idea that it’s something for the rich and privileged.

Trans children more likely to be white and privileged, says head

Katharine Birbalsingh said her school in London was unlikely to have many trans pupils because its intake mainly came from ethnic minorities

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/trans-children-white-privilege-katherine-birbalsingh-73d578v7q

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DiaAssolellat · 23/05/2025 08:04

orangegato · 23/05/2025 06:53

You just have to look at the protest to see that it’s pretty much all middle class privileged student types. Hardly a ‘diverse’ crowd there. I wonder the reason for this phenomena?

The parents want to be the cool kids and seen as on-trend and/or the parents don’t say “no”, set boundaries or encourage critical thinking and/or the parents are very busy working in high powered /highly paid jobs and are out of touch with what their children are getting up to and/or the family spends very little time together and/or the parents have used iPads and mobile phones as babysitters for their kids so aforementioned parents can get on with high powered jobs and/or the kids are at schools with kids from similar home environments.

It’s social contagion.

nauticant · 23/05/2025 07:55

Also the standard and necessary reminder from@atoo:

Trans is not necessarily just one thing.

That also applies just within the children-who-identify-as-trans cohort.

MyOliveHelper · 23/05/2025 07:53

Of course it is. Pretentious spoilt children whi have never been raised with discipline or respect for others but are desperate to feel oppressed. You'll never see a Black or Asian parent on the telly saying that their little boy is a girl. Maybe an American come to think of it but yeah, this is a white problem.

RoyalCorgi · 23/05/2025 07:51

Anecdotally, I have heard this quite a lot. The trans craze seems particularly prevalent at certain types of schools - mostly schools where the intake is largely white and middle-class. Private girls' schools in particular apparently have lots of trans-identifying pupils. I've certainly heard teachers who teach in inner-city state schools with ethnically mixed intake say that the trans madness has barely made a dent there.

But it also seems to be the case, as BettyFilous said, that there is a high proportion of looked-after children identifying as trans. (Julie Bindel has written about this.) The children going to the Tavistock GIDS clinic, as pointed out in Hannah Barnes's books, were often very vulnerable rather than posh and privileged.

So I don't know. But I think it's possible that you get two distinct cohorts - the posh kids identifying as trans because it's fashionable, and the kids in care who are confused and vulnerable and therefore prey to people who peddle this crap, and who end up in the hands of gender doctors who put them on puberty blockers.

nauticant · 23/05/2025 07:51

I thnk the demographics of the child cohort of those with a trans identity also goes some way to explain how they're a noticeably safe cohort. In terms of facing the risk of violence or worse.

littlebilliie · 23/05/2025 07:50

This is so true there was a local Grammar school sixth form a few years ago where they were all non-binary.

up the road the average state school sixth form I had hardly any non-binary kids

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:50

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 07:43

All schools have legal responsibilities for faith via RE & collective worship. Are you saying they breach those legal responsibilities? Or do you mean they refused to allow a Muslim prayer room? I know a number of schools that have held the line on that.

Yes

SaltPorridge · 23/05/2025 07:47

I have noticed several girls using boys names that fly under the radar as they are Asian and the names they choose are not English, or they are Chinese choosing masculine English names.
I don't think I have met a black gc kid yet, but that might be just my area.
I don't know a single gender questioning child who is not vulnerable for some reason. Either autistic (mostly autistic) and/or LAC, or edge of care, or middle class neglect/ family under pressure.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 07:43

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:38

That's not what I meant for goodness sake.

I am not saying that any school that doesn't have its roof painted in rainbow colours and a huge Stonewall banner is oppressive.

I mean this particular school banned expressions of faith and worship. They don't like autistic kids not being comfortable giving eye contact. Etc
It's a different scale.

All schools have legal responsibilities for faith via RE & collective worship. Are you saying they breach those legal responsibilities? Or do you mean they refused to allow a Muslim prayer room? I know a number of schools that have held the line on that.

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:38

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 07:32

Schools have a responsibility to educate children and to promote their wellbeing. No matter how much transactivists insist, a school's role is not to promote "exploration of identity" in terms of sex change. It's to ensure children are able to explore their developing identities as members of communities, families, through their learning, sport, choirs, hobbies etc.

Exploring your sexual / gender identity is not for schools to promote via over eager adults desperate to share their feelings on the subjects. I'm not promoting Michaela's particular ethos - more pointing out the hazards to children of allowing so many porn soaked, gender identity organisations and adults to influence schools

That's not what I meant for goodness sake.

I am not saying that any school that doesn't have its roof painted in rainbow colours and a huge Stonewall banner is oppressive.

I mean this particular school banned expressions of faith and worship. They don't like autistic kids not being comfortable giving eye contact. Etc
It's a different scale.

illinivich · 23/05/2025 07:34

For a child to get to a gender clinic, or for their parents to go into the school to discuss their gender identity, the parents are more likely to be aware and supportive of trans ideology.

Poorer, immigrant families are less likely to be supportive and in a school like Michaela's parents would need to be involved to have any hope of pronoun changes at school.

The problem is that clinics tend not to record class of families, so little is available to prove or disprove its a middle class phenomenon. And now its been taught in so many schools, lots of children will be exposed to it now.

whattodoforthebest2 · 23/05/2025 07:33

What are “squeaky wheel girls”? Genuine question.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 07:32

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:20

I do also wonder whether a Michaela school is the type of environment that encourages or even tolerates exploration of identity and free expression.

Schools have a responsibility to educate children and to promote their wellbeing. No matter how much transactivists insist, a school's role is not to promote "exploration of identity" in terms of sex change. It's to ensure children are able to explore their developing identities as members of communities, families, through their learning, sport, choirs, hobbies etc.

Exploring your sexual / gender identity is not for schools to promote via over eager adults desperate to share their feelings on the subjects. I'm not promoting Michaela's particular ethos - more pointing out the hazards to children of allowing so many porn soaked, gender identity organisations and adults to influence schools

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:20

I do also wonder whether a Michaela school is the type of environment that encourages or even tolerates exploration of identity and free expression.

skimming · 23/05/2025 07:18

orangegato · 23/05/2025 07:12

Just a vibe I get from the professional protesters - not all of them, but a chink.

Clearly don’t need to work to they. Their main problems are trans rights, just stop oil bullshit, anything but real world problems like having to work long hours to feed your family. They are luxury causes most people don’t have the brain space for as too busy having to work for a living.

"vibes"

Theunamedcat · 23/05/2025 07:17

She's simply talking from her experience if I talked from mine it would be slightly different my experience is squeaky wheel girls getting attention for swinging between I'm a boy call me x to I'm a girl etc there parents are not paying as much attention to them anymore for various reasons younger siblings new relationship etc suddenly these girls want to cut their hair change their name wear a rainbow

Bluebootsgreenboots · 23/05/2025 07:15

I think this is a really important point of investigation - there does seem to be a very high proportion of university educated, able bodied, white males in the adult cohort.

Also a huge cohort at Oxbridge - is it the privilege or the neuro diversity speaking?

ArabellaScott · 23/05/2025 07:15

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:10

Just because they are the protestors doesn't mean they are the the full spectrum of gender questioning kids. Student types have always been active protestors.

Via my work I see a lot of kids who are questioning their identity. The vast, vast majority are autistic and they are often vulnerable. Yes white kids predominate. I don't see a heavy class bias especially amongst ROGD type trans boys (natal girls). I certainly wouldn't describe them as privileged middle class kids.

I was going to say that the most common denominator seems to me to be vulnerability.

orangegato · 23/05/2025 07:12

skimming · 23/05/2025 07:08

How can you tell?
What are your signifiers of 'middle class privileged student types'?
How do you define 'middle class' in 2025?

Just a vibe I get from the professional protesters - not all of them, but a chink.

Clearly don’t need to work to they. Their main problems are trans rights, just stop oil bullshit, anything but real world problems like having to work long hours to feed your family. They are luxury causes most people don’t have the brain space for as too busy having to work for a living.

DrRuthGalloway · 23/05/2025 07:10

Just because they are the protestors doesn't mean they are the the full spectrum of gender questioning kids. Student types have always been active protestors.

Via my work I see a lot of kids who are questioning their identity. The vast, vast majority are autistic and they are often vulnerable. Yes white kids predominate. I don't see a heavy class bias especially amongst ROGD type trans boys (natal girls). I certainly wouldn't describe them as privileged middle class kids.

skimming · 23/05/2025 07:08

orangegato · 23/05/2025 06:53

You just have to look at the protest to see that it’s pretty much all middle class privileged student types. Hardly a ‘diverse’ crowd there. I wonder the reason for this phenomena?

How can you tell?
What are your signifiers of 'middle class privileged student types'?
How do you define 'middle class' in 2025?

JaninaDuszejko · 23/05/2025 07:06

The data shows she's correct with GIDS evidenceing over 80% white british referrals.

According to the last census 81.7% of the population of England and Wales identified themselves as white. In Scotland it was 92.9% and North Ireland was 96.6%. So 80% white British referrals is about right.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/05/2025 07:00

mrshoho · 23/05/2025 06:55

Looked after gender questioning children have really been failed. From social workers to foster parents and carehome managers, all these staff would have been following the DEI guidance and at risk of disciplinary and/or being ostracised by colleagues if they dared stray from the party line.

Yes - the capture of all our regulatory bodies by trans extremism has been catastrophic for children's safety and wellbeing (and their future for some of them).

mrshoho · 23/05/2025 06:55

Looked after gender questioning children have really been failed. From social workers to foster parents and carehome managers, all these staff would have been following the DEI guidance and at risk of disciplinary and/or being ostracised by colleagues if they dared stray from the party line.

orangegato · 23/05/2025 06:53

You just have to look at the protest to see that it’s pretty much all middle class privileged student types. Hardly a ‘diverse’ crowd there. I wonder the reason for this phenomena?

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