I find this disappointing from Lady Hale

Perhaps, and just a thought, if this is all so disappointing for lady hale & dame Julia and they're so keen to get TW on Boards, they could ask some of the other men to make way for them

Oh, Lady Hale is just salty because the Supreme Court overturned her judgment.

Trust the bloody Guardian to pick this story up. A bunch of people at a literature festival pontificating about how marvellous the gender neutral loos are, but not considering why they are not an appropriate option in a secondary school or in many other places in society.

I wonder if her daughter were due to be appointed to a woman-only board that was staffed entirely by transwomen, and lost out to another transwoman, one who had perhaps been to an all-male school and knew the chair of the board from.their mutual time at school and Sandhurst, whether she would have even a flicker of doubt.

I'm not a doctor but am an AHP and I also know at least one doctor who would say something like this. I know an awful lot who wouldn't, but they are less likely to be at a party with Lady Hale, and more likely to be covering the colposcopy clinic when nobody else will.

Not clear what is heartbreaking, but the ruling does not prevent a talented trans person from sitting on any board.

As far as I understand, it makes it more likely that a board would appoint a trans identifying woman,

Surely if Lady Hale wants to appoint someone to ‘her board’ there’s no law to stop her - just don’t let a man pretending to be a woman take an actual woman’s place just one from the men! Surely there’s nothing wrong with that!

I think Hale might be pissed at the criticism of some of her judgments, which (imo) often lack clarity and seem unlikely to stand the test of time!

Only now, when men want something from women, is biological sex unclear. For thousands of years, where women were treated as property, unable to vote, or own property, or get an education, it was very clear, as it is very clear in parts of the world today like Afghanistan. There’s no head scratching there about does sex exist or is it just a vibe you feel.
It infuriates me that men think taking some hormones and getting a boob job means they understand what it is like to be in a body that would have left you cornered and powerless for most of history, regardless of any ‘male energy’.

Well @NecessaryScene you can defo make a stronger case for the existence of biological sex than for that of last week! Does Lady Hale really exist I wonder. Perhaps we are all hallucinating her. I'm going for a cup of tea and a lie down now....

Not just any book festival but Charleston book festival. Charleston has made it's entire brand about Queerness.

Of course. They're all just Theydies and Gentlethem now 😂

Yes and why are senior judges called either Lord or Lady, instead of Zir or Fae? "All rise for Their Themship".

Heartbreaking? Really? I hear this all the time from bekinders. I doubt they are truly -crying themselves to sleep-barely eating a bite-staring listlessly at the ceiling heartbroken.

But words don't mean what they mean anymore, do they?
Really ticks me off though.
Heartbroken my arse!

She was talking at a literary festival, presumably to an audience who were lapping this up. I doubt she expected her comments to be reported.

Wow, I had no idea she was a blithering idiot.

If there's no such thing as biological sex why is there a need to transition to the other sex?

@EmeraldRoulette Exactly the same way you would but they would enjoy the cleverness of talking about sex being a spectrum, and the virtue signalling of saying a man could give birth, or 'people with wombs/penises'.

Damn, wish I'd known that before I went through all those bloody periods. Wonder why DP never has one? Is there something wrong with him?

@AnnaMagnani do you know how they would explain reproduction please?

This is from a discussion about a judgement she made before she retired:

"The reason Lady Hale’s judgment for the majority is so objectionable is that it overturns settled case law and undercuts clear statutory policy in order to facilitate commercial surrogacy arrangements that would be illegal if they took place in this country."

https://judicialpowerproject.org.uk/unlicensed-law-reformer-lady-hale-and-the-law-of-surrogacy/

As a doctor, I sadly could introduce you to doctors that would say that.
They are a small group but loud.
I could also find you a larger group of doctors who do think there is biological sex but also that we should 'be kind' and 'most oppressed group in history'. They are also loud.

The rest of us are just keeping our heads down to stay in work and avoid being called bigots. Also we tend to be friends/colleagues of the two groups and if we avoid the subject at all costs we can still get on with each other. A bit like banning conversations about Brexit.

If there's no such thing as biological sex, how does she think humans reproduce?

How does she think she and her daughter came into this world?

And how do these "doctors" explain human reproduction? Parthenogenesis? Binary fission?

How do vets think mammals reproduce? Or birds?

I was reading it as fence sitting myself. But let's face it after the Guardian have scrambled it, they might have been saying the complete opposite of the selected quotes?

Loads of them are saying it. Dr Upton. A load of folk in the BMA. All cultists. Weird

Indeed! It’s Helen Joyce’s chilling effect in action

On the sauce with a dessert of shrooms I'd say. Otherwise we are fkd.