Trans toilet protest

Yeah, apparently we're the ones obsessed with toilets and genitals. It's only obsession when women raise genuine anger in response to documented instances of men assaulting women in public places.

Any 'third spaces' are just a public meeting room for fetishist men, 'femboys', and other creeps to cluster together and make a mess. No woman regardless of her 'gender identity' is going anywhere near them, they're going to be absolutely vile.

I wondered about a card (don't bother to reference WW2, there are loads of cards for minorities, radar key, baby on board, disabled seats etc etc and people can carry, not wear it). To show if challenged in the sex appropriate toilets

Let them continue. Little on prisons, SA centres, refuges, medical records being accurate to avoid sex specific screening being missed and other points, sports, these sorts of practical outcomes. The fixation with using women's toilets rather than looking for a way forward looks more and more illustrative. It's about validation. In time we will have an honest conversation about why but for now it's useful information gathering about this behaviour.

I have to say that I'm mystified by all this TEZ performative weeping and ranting; didn't Himdia brag recently about scuttling past the unisex toilets, so that HD could deliberate the ladies? I see that others here have suggested unisex toilets, are they invisible to TEZs?

The idea of pissing or shitting myself waiting for a disabled toilet while an able bodied male flaps about in his skirt and touches up his lipgloss in there makes me RAGE.

Such men couldn't make it any clearer, how little they care about anyone else's legitimate struggles. I'm done with all this male entitlement, it's still exactly that even if it's dressed in a fur coat and fishnets.

I was so surprised by the Guardian article (shouldn't have been, probably 😑)
For years, people with a disability have explained that since the disabled toilets are often rare, it is vital that they are quickly accessible - I am not only talking about the UK but it is a problem in other countries, too, and especially older buildings don't always have one. It is very strange to read that disability campaigners now openly invite trans people (mostly men) into these places, and I see another forced teaming going on since the SC ruling (first the tm, and the masculine looking women, now the people with a disability?). It is the way they are speaking about discrimination.

The examples where someone is both, trans and with a disability, they can of course use them on the basis of the disability.

The background that if you class neurodiversity as disability (not everyone does), which tunes in with a higher likelihood to be captured by trans philosophy due to the feeling of not fitting in, is also not properly explained, though The Guardian knows about the new screening for autism etc at Gender Dysphoria clinics.

The other reason for a connection between them both are physical disabilities or at least problems brought on by cross-sex hormones, blockers and surgery.

Both of these backgrounds are ignored by the article, too, though these are two main points why trans and disability can overlap. The way this is written reads as if there was a magical connection out of nowhere.

Having scolded us for years for being 'obsessed with toilets', the trans response to the Supreme Court ruling seems to be obsessed with...toilets.
So that's what the T in LGBTQ+ stands for😄

Exactly. It’s about validation, not safety or privacy.

Of course disabled people are in a much worse situation than a cross dresser or transvestite. They are probably crippled and not able to get better or improve like my son.

To be honest it makes me furious to hear politicians and bosses with their blithe suggestions that trans people should use the disabled toilets. Isn't it bad enough that cross-dressing men have invaded women's toilets (there aren't enough of these to begin with) without them being invited to colonise the disabled facilities as well?! I hope disabled people are vocal in their opposition to this, maybe they need to adapt the slogan to 'Our toilets aren't yours to give away.' It's a shockingly insensitive and inconsiderate position for policy makers to take.

When my son was in a wheelchair after having an accident and he was in Charing Cross Hospital, I used to take him out for lunch in his wheelchair. Honestly, there was only one pub nearby which had a disabled toilet and ramp access to the pub. The conflation of trans and disabled is ridiculous.

We need to normalise saying that it's OK for trans people not to get everything they want.

The situation of disabled people is very much more serious and their lack of access when they go out than a transvestite who wants to use the ladies. The Groaniad article appears not to understand this.

They don’t want a forth space they want to use the women’s.

if it was really about feeling safe would they be pissed off about this?

they can fuck off

“The vast majority of disabled people are so aware of what it feels like to be excluded from basic facilities. I need a hoist to get out of my wheelchair, so if there’s not a Changing Place where I’m visiting then I can’t go.”

Yes there should definitely be more provision of accessible toilets, and this is a sex based issue, because it's more difficult for women to e.g. use a bottle to urinate discreetly if they can't get out of a wheel chair. However, there are toilets for trans people to use. The problem is they don't want to use them. I do agree that the situation for some trans men is unclear. (there seems to be a universal pattern here - seems to have something to do with women and toilets).

"Inclusion London also raised the concern that the ruling and the EHRC’s interim advice, which set out that transgender people should not be allowed to use toilets of the gender they live as, and that in some cases they also cannot use toilets of their birth sex, “encourages members of the public to police each other based on what we look like”."

How is this supposed to be a change?

“I can only use the wheelchair accessible toilets now, but I’ve been challenged numerous times over the years in the women’s toilets, sometimes aggressively, because I’m non gender-conforming.”

So apparently it isn't a change.

I agree that accessible toilets should not be used by people who don't need them.

Like disabled people have a choice. Trans identification is a choice. No-one forced these men to leave the house in a frock, take oestrogen to grow 'breasts', carry a handbag. Own your choices and use the men's.

And the group that everyone doesn't give a second thought about, when squabbling about all this either.

Yes exactly.

Because we're too nice to them...

That Guardian article makes me fume.

Typical disingenuous article from The Groaniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/24/disabled-campaigners-trans-people-toilet-segregation
Conflating the trans people with disabled people is the lowest of the low. I have a disabled son who uses a crutch to walk and often complains about steps going up to restaurants or disabled loos not being available.

Yes, your ‘gender’ is just a feeling you have on the inside which no one can verify. Just a conviction in your heart of hearts, based on zero experience of what anyone except yourself feels like in their heart of hearts.

All toilets are mixed gender according to this philosophy. And therefore a person is as likely to meet a person of any of the 10 million new genders in the toilets. Because your gender is just an internal vibe.

I don’t think about my gender, I don’t think I have one particularly. But I do have a sex which I can’t change. And I don’t want men in women’s spaces and I don’t think I have to justify why. I don’t want you in there, get over it.

If you're a believer of gender, then male loos will have both men and women in. As will female ones. So why is a male one any worse than a female one, in their view? They're both mixed-gender.

The magical trans sparkledust thrown by the good fairies of inclusive feminism erases all their maleness.