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Jolyon Maugham says his wife was targeted in changing room

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BobLobla · 22/05/2025 09:35

On Bluesky yesterday. Sorry if there’s already a thread but I couldn’t see one. The replies would indicate this is a common thing. Really?

Jolyon Maugham says his wife was targeted in changing room
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Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 11:08

NecessaryScene · 22/05/2025 11:05

my point is that it’s really not beyond the realms with how hyper focussed this is that somebody could ignorantly made a comment like this

It's also not beyond the realms that someone from Nigeria needs you to move a few hundred thousand dollars through your bank account, and you'll get a nice fee.

Do you have a general problem with weighing relative plausibility?

Ok I take it all back. Women are all perfect,
mean girls don’t exist. The end.

MyPresumablyScrotum · 22/05/2025 11:07
  1. His wife has/had short hair because of chemotherapy, and has had a double mastectomy due to cancer. She is a woman.
  2. His daughters have short hair because they identify as men, and men don't have long hair. Despite their knowledge of the seriousness of the operation - they still presumably wish to have a double mastectomy because men don't have breasts.

You'd think they were <this> close to getting it, but no.

Merrymouse · 22/05/2025 11:07

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:58

Disagree. I think some on the GC side are so concerned about males (born males) in female spaces, that it’s not beyond the realms that seeing no breasts there could be a fear / assumption of a male being in the space. For what it’s worth I agree with the need for female only spaces, my point is that it’s really not beyond the realms with how hyper focussed this is that somebody could ignorantly made a comment like this

Are you unfamiliar with women’s physiognomy? A mastectomy does not change face/height/fat distribution/hips/arms/hands, never mind the fact that many women are pretty flat chested to begin with.

There might be women who have an obsession with other women’s breast size, as described by you, but I would suggest they are suffering from a mental illness, not ‘gender critical’.

NeedForSpeed · 22/05/2025 11:07

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:49

I don’t think anyone thinks this. But I think certain ignorant people could see no breasts and with the hyper focus on males in female areas at the moment, jump to incorrect conclusions

Do you even know what a woman looks like after a double mastectomy?

A woman. Who has had a double mastectomy.

Women do not look masculine without breast tissue. It doesn't change your hip shape, face shape, how you walk or indeed your DNA or chromosomes.

Justnot · 22/05/2025 11:06

He’s like a toddler behind a curtain thinking we can’t see him

BackToLurk · 22/05/2025 11:06

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:58

Disagree. I think some on the GC side are so concerned about males (born males) in female spaces, that it’s not beyond the realms that seeing no breasts there could be a fear / assumption of a male being in the space. For what it’s worth I agree with the need for female only spaces, my point is that it’s really not beyond the realms with how hyper focussed this is that somebody could ignorantly made a comment like this

Would you like to buy some beans? They're magic

NecessaryScene · 22/05/2025 11:05

my point is that it’s really not beyond the realms with how hyper focussed this is that somebody could ignorantly made a comment like this

It's also not beyond the realms that someone from Nigeria needs you to move a few hundred thousand dollars through your bank account, and you'll get a nice fee.

Do you have a general problem with weighing relative plausibility?

Llamasarellovely · 22/05/2025 11:03

Someone made the point on Nitter that he flew the flag of fox/kimono up the flagpole a couple of months before The Incident. And wife raised the 'oh no, what if someone challenges me' a couple of months ago. Almost as though they float things to gauge the reaction first.
Someone cynical might say.

NeedForSpeed · 22/05/2025 11:02

As if any woman in a changing room would challenge an obvious woman who has had an obvious double mastectomy.

The fox hunter is an absolute fantasist and I truly think he's lost it.

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:59

SmallSoupcon · 22/05/2025 10:54

Also, plenty of women have very small boobs, a fact which women are very well aware of. That's why we don't judge womanhood by cup size - making this scenario even more unlikely!

Again, over generalising. Some women can be unpleasant and or ignorant

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:58

Maaate · 22/05/2025 10:52

The point is that it would only be people on the TRA side of the debate who would see a breastless woman and think man.

Jo's attempting to use this as a stick to beat the GC side with after the SC ruling but it does the opposite.

Disagree. I think some on the GC side are so concerned about males (born males) in female spaces, that it’s not beyond the realms that seeing no breasts there could be a fear / assumption of a male being in the space. For what it’s worth I agree with the need for female only spaces, my point is that it’s really not beyond the realms with how hyper focussed this is that somebody could ignorantly made a comment like this

SmallSoupcon · 22/05/2025 10:54

Maaate · 22/05/2025 10:47

So, in the slightest chance this is true...

Who is it that thinks that removing breasts means they are male?

(Hint, not GC people)

Also, plenty of women have very small boobs, a fact which women are very well aware of. That's why we don't judge womanhood by cup size - making this scenario even more unlikely!

Maaate · 22/05/2025 10:52

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:49

I don’t think anyone thinks this. But I think certain ignorant people could see no breasts and with the hyper focus on males in female areas at the moment, jump to incorrect conclusions

The point is that it would only be people on the TRA side of the debate who would see a breastless woman and think man.

Jo's attempting to use this as a stick to beat the GC side with after the SC ruling but it does the opposite.

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:49

Maaate · 22/05/2025 10:47

So, in the slightest chance this is true...

Who is it that thinks that removing breasts means they are male?

(Hint, not GC people)

I don’t think anyone thinks this. But I think certain ignorant people could see no breasts and with the hyper focus on males in female areas at the moment, jump to incorrect conclusions

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/05/2025 10:48

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:42

But what if it is true? These threads are so over generalising, this wouldn’t happen because ALL women act in exactly the same way and so wouldn’t have said this.

Edited

If it’s true why hasn’t she backed him up, and why has she deactivated her account? BTW, it’s so obviously not true.

Maaate · 22/05/2025 10:47

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:42

But what if it is true? These threads are so over generalising, this wouldn’t happen because ALL women act in exactly the same way and so wouldn’t have said this.

Edited

So, in the slightest chance this is true...

Who is it that thinks that removing breasts means they are male?

(Hint, not GC people)

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:47

Greyskybluesky · 22/05/2025 10:44

It's not about fitting any narrative, it's about looking at the logic and detail of the situation

ETA: OK, so you've deleted the bit about fitting a narrative, but my point still stands

Edited

And we wern’t there, so we don't know the facts. Maybe it’s a lie created to fit an agenda. But maybe it’s not. I don’t think it’s impossible this happened. This issue is so hyper focussed at the moment I don’t think it’s beyond the realms that a challenge like this could happen.

terryleather · 22/05/2025 10:46

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/05/2025 10:35

The Maugham's have two children who identify as trans, and have gone down the medical route. They need to think they are right, or they will need to face what they have facilitated for their children.

This.

These are the people Helen Joyce talks about who will never ever admit they were wrong because they will have to face the horror of what they were a party to so it'll be doubling down all the way.

In a field with very stiff competition JM is right up there in the pantheon of utter fuds.

Greyskybluesky · 22/05/2025 10:44

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:42

But what if it is true? These threads are so over generalising, this wouldn’t happen because ALL women act in exactly the same way and so wouldn’t have said this.

Edited

It's not about fitting any narrative, it's about looking at the logic and detail of the situation

ETA: OK, so you've deleted the bit about fitting a narrative, but my point still stands

Greyskybluesky · 22/05/2025 10:43

Claire Maugham says: "Gender criticals think women must have and not have certain body parts"

Well, by that logic I am certainly not gender critical but plenty of transwomen definitely are!

Goodluckanddontfitup · 22/05/2025 10:42

But what if it is true? These threads are so over generalising, this wouldn’t happen because ALL women act in exactly the same way and so wouldn’t have said this.

MarieDeGournay · 22/05/2025 10:39

Kucinghitam · 22/05/2025 10:09

Well, it looks like the two Maughams really deserve each other.

Somebody - can't remember who, but I have absolute faith that somebody here will know! - thanked God for letting Thomas Carlyle and Jane Welsh marry each other rather than anybody else "and so make only two people miserable instead of four."
Smile

Maaate · 22/05/2025 10:39

NecessaryScene · 22/05/2025 09:51

I believe it's true in itself.

Curious that she posted a few weeks earlier about it as a hypothetical thing that might happen to her while constructing her own fantasy arguments.

Yep, such an unfortunate coincidence...

Apparently she has now deactivated her account?

Jolyon Maugham says his wife was targeted in changing room
Greyskybluesky · 22/05/2025 10:37

As with many law practitioners, what they leave out can be just as important as what they put in

sualipa · 22/05/2025 10:36

He has killed a fox and gloried in it - utterly loathsome man.

On Boxing Day 2019, Jolyon Maugham QC, a prominent British barrister and founder of the Good Law Project, garnered significant public attention after tweeting that he had killed a fox with a baseball bat at his London home. He reported that the fox had become entangled in netting around his chicken coop, and he acted to protect his chickens. The incident sparked widespread criticism and led to an investigation by the RSPCA.