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India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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frazzled1 · 20/05/2025 21:05

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
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LittleBitofBread · 22/05/2025 15:46

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:43

Oh what a lot of rubbish. Transwomen as males are not 'oppressed'. Strange how 1% have had such extraordinary power that we've had society turned upside down, our language re-defined - women and girls called 'menstruators', 'bleeders', and 'uterus havers', we have had intact males in women and girls changing rooms and stealing the sports scholarships, awards and places of women and girls. And, males in rape crisis centres sitting in on women's trauma literally grinning at hearing the stories. NEVER before has such a tiny minority had such overreaching POWER. Never. Gay men never had this power. Not even so-called 'c1s' men. Transwomen are at the top of the totem pole higher than 'c1s' men. Never has a group had more power than this "1%". They are incredibly dangerously powerful; they are the single most powerful, most privileged, most protected Sacred Caste. The reason for that? It is PATRIARCHY PERSONIFIED for this century.

👏👏👏👏👏

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:43

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

Oh what a lot of rubbish. Transwomen as males are not 'oppressed'. Strange how 1% have had such extraordinary power that we've had society turned upside down, our language re-defined - women and girls called 'menstruators', 'bleeders', and 'uterus havers', we have had intact males in women and girls changing rooms and stealing the sports scholarships, awards and places of women and girls. And, males in rape crisis centres sitting in on women's trauma literally grinning at hearing the stories. NEVER before has such a tiny minority had such overreaching POWER. Never. Gay men never had this power. Not even so-called 'c1s' men. Transwomen are at the top of the totem pole higher than 'c1s' men. Never has a group had more power than this "1%". They are incredibly dangerously powerful; they are the single most powerful, most privileged, most protected Sacred Caste. The reason for that? It is PATRIARCHY PERSONIFIED for this century.

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:37

Men always think they can do everything better than women. They always think they are smarter than us, better than us, can do everything better than us including be a woman better than us. It's a very Male Pattern Aggression trait. It's how we know they are male.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/05/2025 15:36

CapitalAtRisk · 22/05/2025 15:13

No, I mean that if you say "Why can't someone identify as a different race/black then?" they refuse to engage because apparently that is completely different and a tired, transphobic trope to use.

Okaaaaay 😬

I think what I was pointing out is that she had some justification on her side, however tenuous, whereas they.....

So it is different. Just not the way they'd like it to be.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/05/2025 15:19

@lechiffre55 thank you! I am a huge fan of Wilde. I often have username envy!

CapitalAtRisk · 22/05/2025 15:13

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/05/2025 11:43

To be fair (though I hate doing it) if some of the USA continues to hold by the daffy "one drop rule" doctrine, anyone with any black ancestry at all has the right to think of him- or herself as black. Who's to say that Rachel Dolezal wasn't descended, via her white European ancestors, from a member of a Roman legion who was recruited in North Africa and then retired and married in one of the European countries? All his descendents would count as black, by that rule.

Her strange behaviour might have marginally more basis in her country's doctrines than that of a man asserting that he is a woman. Not that I think she ever thought of using that as the basis for her claim, but still.

No, I mean that if you say "Why can't someone identify as a different race/black then?" they refuse to engage because apparently that is completely different and a tired, transphobic trope to use.

Okaaaaay 😬

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 15:05

mintbru · 21/05/2025 21:46

Hmmm, lots of comments deleted, Jonathan must have a sore finger from reporting all the posts, he's really a very sad little man. So bitter and angry at women just because he will never be a woman, the harder he tries the more male his behaviour is.

@mintbru ah yes, just a thought, could have been posts breaching the TOU and Justine's moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex.

here it is: www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 15:03

AnneUulmelmahay · 22/05/2025 14:32

Yippee a chance to wheel out my Man With Two Brains name.😁

You are much braver than me in trying to spell that surname ( even though "Of course, how else would it be spelled?" )
Whenever I try and pronounce that character's name I get stuck in a loop going round and round the UulMelmaMelmaMelmeMelma bit and find it difficult to get out of the word, so I don't ever try :)

I Love people's username references here on MN. @LadyBracknellsHandbagg is a personal favourite. Even the two gs at the end is not a mistake. It's a second reference to the way Edith Evans exclaimed "A handbagggggggg!" in a performance so legendary it intimidates all who have played Lady Bracknell since.

WallaceinAnderland · 22/05/2025 14:37

JKR posted today about an article where a female prisoner describes her trauma at having to share facilities with a male prisoner. IW called her views bigoted.

Link to article if anyone wants to read it.

https://alphanews.org/a-nightmare-female-inmate-describes-traumatic-experience-of-being-housed-with-biological-males/

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
AnneUulmelmahay · 22/05/2025 14:32

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 12:13

I think he may have watched the Steve Martin movie The Man With Two Brains, and thought the "cranial screw top method" was a real medical procedure.

Yippee a chance to wheel out my Man With Two Brains name.😁

teawamutu · 22/05/2025 12:27

Was 2010 the last time he had a proper job?

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 12:13

countrysidedeficit · 21/05/2025 21:15

No it seems not.

According to this interview in 2015 where he genuinely laments that having a brain transplant wasn't available as an alternative to so-called gender reassignment surgery, he only has a son.

https://www.itv.com/lorraine/articles/itv-newsreader-jonathan-willoughby-on-becoming-a-woman

I think he may have watched the Steve Martin movie The Man With Two Brains, and thought the "cranial screw top method" was a real medical procedure.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/05/2025 11:43

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:40

But that's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, in ways that no TRA has ever explained but always insisted on.

To be fair (though I hate doing it) if some of the USA continues to hold by the daffy "one drop rule" doctrine, anyone with any black ancestry at all has the right to think of him- or herself as black. Who's to say that Rachel Dolezal wasn't descended, via her white European ancestors, from a member of a Roman legion who was recruited in North Africa and then retired and married in one of the European countries? All his descendents would count as black, by that rule.

Her strange behaviour might have marginally more basis in her country's doctrines than that of a man asserting that he is a woman. Not that I think she ever thought of using that as the basis for her claim, but still.

JellySaurus · 22/05/2025 10:13

CautiousLurker01 · 22/05/2025 09:41

It’s odd, but I am on FB for the pet posts and author/publishing feeds. No politics. But I seem to get lots of posts/ad with links to articles about JKR. Many of them have highly critical/censorious headlines about her. But when you click in (I can’t help myself) you see 500k views and 20k comments. And, well, I grit my teeth and scroll expecting the worst. Only, I would say 99% of them laud and celebrate JKR. They comment on the charities she supports/founded, they reference her original letter explaining her position. The other 1% are just people screaming bigot with NO actual evidence as to why she should be considered one.

So, I don’t think she is a target of mockery of disapprobation at all. She seems to be a much admired figure of reason and common sense, at least amongst the 3billion monthly active users of Facebook.

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The loudest, most extreme voices are heard, not the quiet, moderate majority. The quiet, moderate majority often don't realise that their view is both mainstream and reasonable, because the loud extremists threaten and frighten them into silence.

PetaltotheMedal · 22/05/2025 09:55

people screaming bigot with NO actual evidence as to why she should be considered one.

It's very noticable in some people's posts that they're quoting the same "bigot", "most oppressed" or whatever mantra they've been trained to use. They never seem to read posts with a view to conversing about them or, God forbid, learning from them. Which is sad but also so very telling. These people they're screaming for wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, unless it was part of their 'thing'.

CautiousLurker01 · 22/05/2025 09:41

It’s odd, but I am on FB for the pet posts and author/publishing feeds. No politics. But I seem to get lots of posts/ad with links to articles about JKR. Many of them have highly critical/censorious headlines about her. But when you click in (I can’t help myself) you see 500k views and 20k comments. And, well, I grit my teeth and scroll expecting the worst. Only, I would say 99% of them laud and celebrate JKR. They comment on the charities she supports/founded, they reference her original letter explaining her position. The other 1% are just people screaming bigot with NO actual evidence as to why she should be considered one.

So, I don’t think she is a target of mockery of disapprobation at all. She seems to be a much admired figure of reason and common sense, at least amongst the 3billion monthly active users of Facebook.

CautiousLurker01 · 22/05/2025 09:33

CapitalAtRisk · 21/05/2025 20:54

Absolutely not. The more that people like Jonathon "India" speak up and demand "rights", the more unhinged people realise they are.

Yes, he is doing the work for us!

EasternStandard · 22/05/2025 09:12

Neemie · 22/05/2025 06:42

Some adults pretend they are children. That is a matter for them and I do feel a bit sorry for them, but pandering to someone’s fantasy doesn’t stretch to letting them join the local primary school so that they can feel more accepted. The protection of children is far more important.

The men who sexually assault have created a need for single sex spaces.Go and shame them and stop blaming women.

And a politician wouldn’t legislate for this so why on earth didn’t they consider women.

Or children for that matter, when it comes to gender ideology pushed it harms them too.

Neemie · 22/05/2025 06:42

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

Some adults pretend they are children. That is a matter for them and I do feel a bit sorry for them, but pandering to someone’s fantasy doesn’t stretch to letting them join the local primary school so that they can feel more accepted. The protection of children is far more important.

The men who sexually assault have created a need for single sex spaces.Go and shame them and stop blaming women.

Enough4me · 21/05/2025 23:31

akkakk · 21/05/2025 17:29

I think that he is referencing his journey from man to woman:

  • man
  • was then trans woman (trans)
  • now fully woman - therefore cis
i.e. stages...

that makes sense from his way of thinking - of course for everyone else it is batty / bonkers logic

Yep, bonkers. He wants to use language to show change but he's missing reality.
More appropriate language would be:

  • mentally stable
  • dysphoria
  • out grow dysphoria/ mental health support
  • mentally stable

I expect he wouldn't want to face the real language that represents his change.

mintbru · 21/05/2025 21:46

Hmmm, lots of comments deleted, Jonathan must have a sore finger from reporting all the posts, he's really a very sad little man. So bitter and angry at women just because he will never be a woman, the harder he tries the more male his behaviour is.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 21/05/2025 21:26

PunchUpInPoplar · 21/05/2025 21:19

India is a woman hater. It oozes from every pore.

This in a nutshell.

Enough4me · 21/05/2025 21:22

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

You are a comedian- I love it!

PunchUpInPoplar · 21/05/2025 21:19

India is a woman hater. It oozes from every pore.

countrysidedeficit · 21/05/2025 21:15

MyNameIsX · 21/05/2025 20:58

Any relation to Holly?

No it seems not.

According to this interview in 2015 where he genuinely laments that having a brain transplant wasn't available as an alternative to so-called gender reassignment surgery, he only has a son.

https://www.itv.com/lorraine/articles/itv-newsreader-jonathan-willoughby-on-becoming-a-woman