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India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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frazzled1 · 20/05/2025 21:05

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
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Projectme · 22/05/2025 20:47

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:43

Oh what a lot of rubbish. Transwomen as males are not 'oppressed'. Strange how 1% have had such extraordinary power that we've had society turned upside down, our language re-defined - women and girls called 'menstruators', 'bleeders', and 'uterus havers', we have had intact males in women and girls changing rooms and stealing the sports scholarships, awards and places of women and girls. And, males in rape crisis centres sitting in on women's trauma literally grinning at hearing the stories. NEVER before has such a tiny minority had such overreaching POWER. Never. Gay men never had this power. Not even so-called 'c1s' men. Transwomen are at the top of the totem pole higher than 'c1s' men. Never has a group had more power than this "1%". They are incredibly dangerously powerful; they are the single most powerful, most privileged, most protected Sacred Caste. The reason for that? It is PATRIARCHY PERSONIFIED for this century.

Oh bloody well said! 👏 👏 👏

sanluca · 22/05/2025 20:42

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:19

you appear a little upset. foot-stampy, even.

take a breath, read it again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by applying the same oppression that was used against us, now to another group of people. Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

Did you mean your post to read so condenscending? Who are you to tell women that part of their job description is to strip off in the presence of their male coworkers?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/05/2025 20:38

1MnaAthCliath
Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

Transwomen are indeed people – male people. They are not women. And we, that is, women, have every right to police their their attempts to colonise our hard-won spaces which are for women only, steal our names and classifications, and in the case of Jonathan "India" Willoughby use foul language and threats to and against us.

NoFineBalance · 22/05/2025 20:36

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:19

you appear a little upset. foot-stampy, even.

take a breath, read it again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by applying the same oppression that was used against us, now to another group of people. Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

That other group of people, trans identifying males, are men. Men are not generally an oppressed class, no matter what they choose to wear, and certainly not oppressed by women. Their experience is male. Other males should increase the bandwidth of maleness and what it means to be a man to accommodate them. Women aren't responsible for them. We are not here to validate them. Women aren't policing them. We just want them to adhere to the law, to stop trespassing on our hard fought for boundaries, and to stop destroying what we have created for ourselves.

Enough4me · 22/05/2025 20:36

@1MnaAthCliath if Jonathan had received support to learn to love himself would he need to pretend to be a woman?

Enough4me · 22/05/2025 20:34

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 20:16

It's confession through projection.
When people try to hurt other people with words there's an unconcious bias that we use the words and themes that hurt us the most. The reasoning being what hurts us must hurt others as much as it hurts us.
Trying to make being a woman a comparative competitive about how much of a woman someone is, when it's actually binary, you're either a woman or you're not a woman, tells us what's going on inside. He's convinced himself he's a woman/female but there's this gnawing doubt inside him that's he's not as much as woman as a real woman, and he resents that a lot. It's probably the inner wellspring of his unhappiness that manifests in his poor behaviour. There's all these women who didn't have to do anything to become women, they were just women from the start. He's undergone so much to try to become a woman, put soo much effort into becoming a "woman", and he's not getting acceptance and validation from women who put absolutely no effort into becoming a woman. That's where the comparative "more of a woman" comes from, the effort he's put in. He's put in more effort = more of a woman than a woman who put no effort into becoming a woman.

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This does make sense, he's tried everything and cannot understand why he's still not a woman. With all that effort he should win the womaning prize.
Perhaps the feelings move towards hatred of what you cannot be/have.

mrshoho · 22/05/2025 20:30

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:19

you appear a little upset. foot-stampy, even.

take a breath, read it again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by applying the same oppression that was used against us, now to another group of people. Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

Think it's past Grandpa's bedtime, drink your cocoa and calm down dear.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/05/2025 20:30

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:27

Thank you, I knew there is compassion and intelligence here. ❤

No, thank you.

Plenty of compassion and intelligence by the majority. Comprehension, not so much (by you, if you were in doubt).

Waitwhat23 · 22/05/2025 20:29

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:19

you appear a little upset. foot-stampy, even.

take a breath, read it again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by applying the same oppression that was used against us, now to another group of people. Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

They're men.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:27

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/05/2025 20:24

Bless.

Thank you, I knew there is compassion and intelligence here. ❤

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/05/2025 20:24

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:19

you appear a little upset. foot-stampy, even.

take a breath, read it again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by applying the same oppression that was used against us, now to another group of people. Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

Bless.

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 20:19

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:43

Oh what a lot of rubbish. Transwomen as males are not 'oppressed'. Strange how 1% have had such extraordinary power that we've had society turned upside down, our language re-defined - women and girls called 'menstruators', 'bleeders', and 'uterus havers', we have had intact males in women and girls changing rooms and stealing the sports scholarships, awards and places of women and girls. And, males in rape crisis centres sitting in on women's trauma literally grinning at hearing the stories. NEVER before has such a tiny minority had such overreaching POWER. Never. Gay men never had this power. Not even so-called 'c1s' men. Transwomen are at the top of the totem pole higher than 'c1s' men. Never has a group had more power than this "1%". They are incredibly dangerously powerful; they are the single most powerful, most privileged, most protected Sacred Caste. The reason for that? It is PATRIARCHY PERSONIFIED for this century.

you appear a little upset. foot-stampy, even.

take a breath, read it again, this time with a wider lens, possibly including a sprinkling of humanity and think back at the history of what we endured as women to reach where we are today.
You, and others, destroy our legacy by applying the same oppression that was used against us, now to another group of people. Becasue thas what TRANS are in the end: people. like you, like me. imperfect people trying to find the best way to live, according to their experience.
Who are we to police them?

lechiffre55 · 22/05/2025 20:16

Enough4me · 22/05/2025 20:01

Jonathan, born to a woman and father of a son, says he more of a woman than a woman...it's just never going to be true.
Does he really believe it or thinks he can gaslight the world?
Or just a massive attention seeker?
I wonder about his motivation?

It's confession through projection.
When people try to hurt other people with words there's an unconcious bias that we use the words and themes that hurt us the most. The reasoning being what hurts us must hurt others as much as it hurts us.
Trying to make being a woman a comparative competitive about how much of a woman someone is, when it's actually binary, you're either a woman or you're not a woman, tells us what's going on inside. He's convinced himself he's a woman/female but there's this gnawing doubt inside him that's he's not as much as woman as a real woman, and he resents that a lot. It's probably the inner wellspring of his unhappiness that manifests in his poor behaviour. There's all these women who didn't have to do anything to become women, they were just women from the start. He's undergone so much to try to become a woman, put soo much effort into becoming a "woman", and he's not getting acceptance and validation from women who put absolutely no effort into becoming a woman. That's where the comparative "more of a woman" comes from, the effort he's put in. He's put in more effort = more of a woman than a woman who put no effort into becoming a woman.

CapitalAtRisk · 22/05/2025 20:03

Does he really believe it or thinks he can gaslight the world?
Or just a massive attention seeker?

I don't think it's either or, here.

Enough4me · 22/05/2025 20:01

Jonathan, born to a woman and father of a son, says he more of a woman than a woman...it's just never going to be true.
Does he really believe it or thinks he can gaslight the world?
Or just a massive attention seeker?
I wonder about his motivation?

ThatCyanCat · 22/05/2025 19:14

CarefulN0w · 22/05/2025 19:12

There was a thread the other day where the individual who had come along as haranguer-of-the-day provided us with their qualifications. Allegedly.

Isn’t it odd how women don’t seem to feel the need to provide their CV when discussing keeping women’s spaces for females?

What were his qualifications? I want to know what exams need to be passed to be able to say that men aren't women.

CarefulN0w · 22/05/2025 19:12

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:37

Men always think they can do everything better than women. They always think they are smarter than us, better than us, can do everything better than us including be a woman better than us. It's a very Male Pattern Aggression trait. It's how we know they are male.

There was a thread the other day where the individual who had come along as haranguer-of-the-day provided us with their qualifications. Allegedly.

Isn’t it odd how women don’t seem to feel the need to provide their CV when discussing keeping women’s spaces for females?

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2025 17:13

Waitwhat23 · 22/05/2025 16:39

More likely the whirring overhead buzz of the misogynistic monitors drone -

'INDIA IS A CUNTY TYPE LADY!!! SAY IT OR BE DELETED!!!'

(watch your eyes though, the sunlight is glinting off all the gender wang flag badges precariously attached to the drone).

There's two words in a sentence... I'll shut up.

Americano75 · 22/05/2025 16:57

I'm always impressed by his ability to outcunt himself on an almost daily basis. It's like a superpower.

DeanElderberry · 22/05/2025 16:52

If there's a 'who is the most woman?' competition I nominate the Traveller woman who settled in the next village who had had 20 children. Though even my great-grandmother, with 13, should get some kind of award.

outofdate · 22/05/2025 16:50

@FlakyCritic
Brilliant post!

Waitwhat23 · 22/05/2025 16:39

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 15:05

@mintbru ah yes, just a thought, could have been posts breaching the TOU and Justine's moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex.

here it is: www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

More likely the whirring overhead buzz of the misogynistic monitors drone -

'INDIA IS A CUNTY TYPE LADY!!! SAY IT OR BE DELETED!!!'

(watch your eyes though, the sunlight is glinting off all the gender wang flag badges precariously attached to the drone).

Waitwhat23 · 22/05/2025 16:34

akkakk · 22/05/2025 15:52

That policy might need updating now after the SC judgement, e.g.:

so we’ll usually delete collective terms for trans people which centre on natal sex.

you can't get more centred on natal sex than calling all transwomen men / all transmen women - as per the judgement!

Good point. The policy name needs updated too - that's always irked me as it should read 'sex and gender discussion policy'.

akkakk · 22/05/2025 15:52

1MnaAthCliath · 22/05/2025 15:05

@mintbru ah yes, just a thought, could have been posts breaching the TOU and Justine's moderation principles for discussions around gender identity and sex.

here it is: www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

That policy might need updating now after the SC judgement, e.g.:

so we’ll usually delete collective terms for trans people which centre on natal sex.

you can't get more centred on natal sex than calling all transwomen men / all transmen women - as per the judgement!

Datun · 22/05/2025 15:51

FlakyCritic · 22/05/2025 15:43

Oh what a lot of rubbish. Transwomen as males are not 'oppressed'. Strange how 1% have had such extraordinary power that we've had society turned upside down, our language re-defined - women and girls called 'menstruators', 'bleeders', and 'uterus havers', we have had intact males in women and girls changing rooms and stealing the sports scholarships, awards and places of women and girls. And, males in rape crisis centres sitting in on women's trauma literally grinning at hearing the stories. NEVER before has such a tiny minority had such overreaching POWER. Never. Gay men never had this power. Not even so-called 'c1s' men. Transwomen are at the top of the totem pole higher than 'c1s' men. Never has a group had more power than this "1%". They are incredibly dangerously powerful; they are the single most powerful, most privileged, most protected Sacred Caste. The reason for that? It is PATRIARCHY PERSONIFIED for this century.

Fantastic post

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