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India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'

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frazzled1 · 20/05/2025 21:05

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1924912102063345706

India not happy with JKR drawing a line. Very aggressive.

Jo, you are bitter and twisted. A modern-day Miss Havisham. Bought court. You know it - I know it. I will always be more of a woman than you. The way you and your ghastly gang pretend to be the voice of all women is disgusting. And a joke. Along with the fact your daily sick bullying of women is completely ignored by UK media. You represent the Gender Critical movement - not women. I hope your boat sinks. Go fuck yourself. Trash.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
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BunfightBetty · 21/05/2025 16:52

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 16:19

Women must not:

  1. have an opinion
  2. express views which men don't like
  3. point out a man having a mantrum
  4. behave in a way that could be perceived in any way as unbecoming
  5. after having been the subject of tonnes of abuse, respond in anything but polite tones.
  6. be anything less than virtue signalling saints. Merely doing good deeds and supporting multiple good causes is not good enough.
  7. eventually think fuck this shit I'm just going to have a laugh about this utter bullshit

God forbid a woman is a sentinent human being capable of individual thoughts.

Fucks sake. Women can't do jack shit without some dickhead lecturing them about how they are wrong.

So what's the point in even trying to live up to impossible standards?

JKRowling gives no fucks because she's reached an age where she realised this.

This is not 'punching down'. This is refusing to be punched down on anymore.

Quite.

And it’s 100% obvious to everyone except the dick-panderers.

Beowulfa · 21/05/2025 16:44

LeftieRightsHoarder · 21/05/2025 16:31

Willoughby’s claim to be ‘more of a woman’ than JKR does make sense by his own standards. He sees himself through (obviously) male eyes.

To men like him, ‘woman’ is a collection of gender stereotypes: fragile, girly, heavily made-up, emotionally incontinent, for use by men, compliant, obsessed with being pretty and ‘feminine’. It’s all superficial and all a performance.

Women’s inner lives, strengths, thoughts etc are irrelevant. We’re either sex toys or worthless old crones. It’s sad really, for him I mean.

I assume Willoughby sees himself as a booby blonde 21 year old from the cover of Loaded circa 1997; pouting and available.

ANewCreation · 21/05/2025 16:38

I'm reminded of when Helen Joyce talks about how parents of 'trans' kids will go on to try to destroy the lives of those whom they see as a standing reproach to them, because the parents have sold their child a bill of goods they can't deliver on.

This bill of goods is the promise that all other people (particularly women) will henceforth accept their son as a woman. Simply by us saying that we will never accept any men in 'women only' spaces, we are the ones who have to be bullied to try to force us to deliver on their promise.

https://youtube.com/shorts/EYJMY_2iFTM?

In much the same way, the men like WillNeverBe, Bergdorf, McCloud, Kaveney and White are presenting us with a similar bill of goods. They have spent big money on facial feminisation surgery, fake breasts, hair transplants, possibly inverting their penis etc and given themselves an endocrine disorder by taking cross sex hormones - all in a vain attempt to attain the simulacrum of a woman. They seem to believe that because it has personally cost them something - whether financially, physically or as a perceived loss of power or status - that, therefore, Society owes it to them to accept them as they see themselves.

And because some people over the years have been 'kind' and have told them polite lies and welcomed them into places and spaces they should never have been in, these men insist that, therefore, all of Society owes it to them to continue to believe and enforce the lies.

Because their doctors have some surgical skill but have not emphasised the limitations of transformation, and because sexist psychiatrists and parliamentarians said that they could do a real life test without thinking about the interests of women, these men insist that, therefore, Society owes it to them to disbelieve their eyes and accept they have really changed sex/are 'somatically female'/a 'biological woman'.

And because, for whatever reason, they won't accept that they personally are actually a gay/bisexual man, these men insist that, therefore, the whole of the rest of Society must redefine the meaning of the words 'gay' and 'man' and 'female' and 'lesbian' and 'real' and 'woman' in order that 0.2% of UK men don't have hurty feels. Let that penetrate.

This is why they then tend to fall into testerical rage when JKR or we or the Supreme Court insist we can still see the man they are and always will be.
All because we have the temerity to say "No" to the bill of goods we never agreed to.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/EYJMY_2iFTM

LeftieRightsHoarder · 21/05/2025 16:31

Willoughby’s claim to be ‘more of a woman’ than JKR does make sense by his own standards. He sees himself through (obviously) male eyes.

To men like him, ‘woman’ is a collection of gender stereotypes: fragile, girly, heavily made-up, emotionally incontinent, for use by men, compliant, obsessed with being pretty and ‘feminine’. It’s all superficial and all a performance.

Women’s inner lives, strengths, thoughts etc are irrelevant. We’re either sex toys or worthless old crones. It’s sad really, for him I mean.

Waitwhat23 · 21/05/2025 16:26

For all the 'she should just ignore him/be nicer/oh, she's a nasty witch' posters, women in the beginning of all this were kind and sought to make ourselves accommodating, undoubtedly following early female socialisation.

Where did it get us? Fucking nowhere. With women imprisoned with violent male sex offenders as just one example.

It doesn't matter how prettily the no was couched. It doesn't matter if we were sweet, and kind and simpered. It's the no that men like India hate and despise so much.

As for 'punching down' - stand up for fucks sake. You're giving Drew Barrymore vibes.

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 16:19

Women must not:

  1. have an opinion
  2. express views which men don't like
  3. point out a man having a mantrum
  4. behave in a way that could be perceived in any way as unbecoming
  5. after having been the subject of tonnes of abuse, respond in anything but polite tones.
  6. be anything less than virtue signalling saints. Merely doing good deeds and supporting multiple good causes is not good enough.
  7. eventually think fuck this shit I'm just going to have a laugh about this utter bullshit

God forbid a woman is a sentinent human being capable of individual thoughts.

Fucks sake. Women can't do jack shit without some dickhead lecturing them about how they are wrong.

So what's the point in even trying to live up to impossible standards?

JKRowling gives no fucks because she's reached an age where she realised this.

This is not 'punching down'. This is refusing to be punched down on anymore.

viques · 21/05/2025 16:15

WinterTrees · 21/05/2025 15:40

Wait, backtracking a bit (sorry if it's already been raised) but Willoughby claims to have been using women's toilets since he was 14??

Willoughby, who was a TV newsreader called Jonathan, who was married and fathered a son and didn't transition until (according to Wikipedia) he was 50 YEARS OLD, was using women's toilets for all that time? Have I got that right?

If so... WHAT. THE. FUCK?

Ah, the old Revisionist Version of History tactic. Stalin did it too.

India hasnt cottoned on that it doesn’t work so well in the internet age when your lies posts keep popping back up to remind us of what you said earlier .

viques · 21/05/2025 16:10

Scout2016 · 21/05/2025 08:50

Yes. He was on the news saying JKR has more money than he approves of and doesn't spend it right.... tbf he was asked about her but what a prat.

x.com/FFS_WhatNow/status/1915102795461480758

You very rarely see Emily Bridges standing up because when you do the frail, misunderstood, little flower image tumbles to the ground with a sound exactly like a well muscled six foot tall man tripping over his girly pigtails.

https://x.com/WRNWales/status/1759972113287377015

https://x.com/WRNWales/status/1759972113287377015

Maaate · 21/05/2025 16:01

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Embarrassed Shame GIF
CassOle · 21/05/2025 16:00

DefineHappy · 21/05/2025 15:36

Ohhhh - this has “REPENT MOTHERFUCKER” vibes…

Definitely.

India's outburst to JKR 'I will always be more of a woman than you.'
Datun · 21/05/2025 15:40

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

For the love of God. We're talking about India using a unisex toilet.

Get a grip

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 15:40

Btw...

'If you see her as a woman'

Gives away your bias. And also highlights why false pronouns are not a neutral act and are misleading and regressive.

They allow the falsification of reality and prevent the observation of reality from being framed as neutral.

It's twisted and it helps precisely no one whether they are a woman, man or trans.

It is important we observe sex for many very neutral purposes.

WinterTrees · 21/05/2025 15:40

Wait, backtracking a bit (sorry if it's already been raised) but Willoughby claims to have been using women's toilets since he was 14??

Willoughby, who was a TV newsreader called Jonathan, who was married and fathered a son and didn't transition until (according to Wikipedia) he was 50 YEARS OLD, was using women's toilets for all that time? Have I got that right?

If so... WHAT. THE. FUCK?

DefineHappy · 21/05/2025 15:36

Ohhhh - this has “REPENT MOTHERFUCKER” vibes…

JustFeedMeCake · 21/05/2025 15:36

IW really is a horrible spiteful little man. Transwomen are not oppressed but they are oppressive and a lot are violent and JKR is a legend. My view. My f&f view.

RedToothBrush · 21/05/2025 15:36

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

Newsflash

It doesn't matter what JKR or IW see IW as.

IW still IS a man.

It is neither punching up or down to observe reality.

Observing reality is an act of neutrality.

ThatCyanCat · 21/05/2025 15:35

If India truly thought he was a woman, he wouldn't be so furious that other people don't. If you thought I wasn't a woman, I might be offended if you meant that I was ugly, but it wouldn't mean a thing in terms of actual biological reality. That's objective and material.

You cannot decide that you are something you are not and demand that everyone "see" you that way and never in any way let on that they don't. That's thoughtcrime.

BunfightBetty · 21/05/2025 15:34

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 21/05/2025 15:32

Well quite, that’s because she isn’t one. If I identify as the Queen can I walk into Buckingham palace?

I’d identify as the King, if I were you. More wealth and power.

I mean, if we are able to identify as anything we are not, what’s stopping you? Anyone who disagrees and tries to stop you is just a bigot and deserves to lose their livelihood.

CarefulN0w · 21/05/2025 15:34

India “let that penetrate” Willoughby is the one aggressively punching down. His viscous behaviour towards Amanda Barrie, an older, smaller female, was stand out male aggression.

As I missed out on the SC I’m saving up for the House of Lords. Going to buy me an overturning of the GRA and bring back the stocks for anyone who leaves the toilet seat up.

CigarettesAndLoveBites · 21/05/2025 15:33

'If you see her as a woman'

I don't see India as a woman and, more importantly, neither does the law.

DialSquare · 21/05/2025 15:32

Lets be honest, no one sees IW as a woman. Not even himself. If TWAW, the majority of them wouldn't be upset about the Supreme Court Clarification.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 21/05/2025 15:32

nutmeg7 · 21/05/2025 15:27

But I don't see India as a woman.

Well quite, that’s because she isn’t one. If I identify as the Queen can I walk into Buckingham palace?

nutmeg7 · 21/05/2025 15:27

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

But I don't see India as a woman.

BunfightBetty · 21/05/2025 15:26

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

So much here that is completely upside down untruths.

India can think of himself any way he pleases. He can see himself as a woman, a dog, or a blue felt-tip pen. Or anything else. His own delusions are his own delusions. However, he is, has always been, and will remain forever a male. That is material fact.

Well-adjusted, psychologically health adults are able to recognise facts and the world as it is,and operate to facts and the world as it is, not as they would wish it to be. We can’t let fantasy rule.

India is male. A member of the oppressor class. And a middle-class, white male at that. Quite literally, a member of the most privileged group on the face of the planet. He doesn’t get to tell a lie that acts as a magic wand to get the rest of us believing he’s the underdog. You might buy the lie. More fool you. I’m not so gullible.

Quite how you can possibly assert (presumably with a straight face?) that trans people are very much oppressed is astonishing. Where do you live? Because in the UK and much of the western democracies at least, trans people have held a disproportionate amount of political power for some years. Despite being a tiny majority, they have managed to appropriate extra rights, over and above the rights enjoyed by others of their sex. If you feel opposite, open your eyes and ears.

Moreover, by allowing males to appropriate womanhood, actual women - the actual oppressed group - have seen their rights and safety eroded.

Try using your intellect instead of overly-emoting with the oppressors.

And no, JKR is not widely derided. Are there pockets of lefty-types (of which I am one), who see it as part of the Omnicause to hate on JKR? Sure. There are some who actually believe as you do. Who favour emotion over fact (but only when that emotion and emoting is focused on centring males, not females). But the majority don’t. Lots of people recognise misogyny when they see it and it’s clear to them that deriding JKR for her tone falls squarely within misogyny. Shame you don’t see that.

Edited for typo.

ThatCyanCat · 21/05/2025 15:26

1MnaAthCliath · 21/05/2025 15:09

@BunfightBetty "JKR has not been punching down. She has been punching up. Women are the oppressed class. Men (of which India is one) are the oppressor class."

It hinges on how you choose to see India - Unpleasant, yes, nasty, certerainly, vicious and the rest.

But I won't deny her the agency of choosing her own identity.

If you see her as a woman, her own description and choice, then Rowling's (and others) comments are punching down. TRANS people are currently very much oppressed.

JKR could have chosen a different path. God knows she has the resources. She didn't, and the image of a rich, powerful person lashing out on a vulnerable person, no matter what the provocation, is abhorrent.

However, now she reaps the harvest of own her sowing - widespread oprobium and mockery. Where once she stood tall and bright as a princess of prose now she is mocked, derided and rejected.

A shame, a shame on her and those that parrot her opressive views.

If you see her as a woman

He isn't, though, and that's the whole point. His version of womanhood requires everyone around him to reflect his self image rather it being an innate and objective material fact. That's the problem with transgenderism. It sets up a lie, that a man is a woman, and then tries to force everything external to it to reflect that lie and will not let anyone refuse. He can regard himself as a woman if he likes but he can't force the rest of us to play along. We aren't responsible for his self image. That's why it's called self image.

The rest of the post is just purple prose. It may have sounded good in your head (I can tell it isn’t ChatGPT because of the spelling errors) but it's meaningless and pompous.

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