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RoyalCorgi · 20/05/2025 09:15

The Scottish Prison Service have operated for 11 years on the basis of self-ID. The English and Welsh prison service operated a fairly similar policy, I think, until Dominic Raab in the last government said that men would only be allowed in the female estate if they had had sex reassignment surgery and they were not in prison for sex offences. That should have reduced the number of men in women's prisons significantly.

But as PPs have said, after the Supreme Court ruling there should be no men in women's prisons. They don't need to wait for the EHRC guidance because the ruling was clear and unequivocal. Sex means biological sex. Women means biological women.

Igmum · 20/05/2025 09:02

MissyB1 · 20/05/2025 08:47

Jesus!! That's horrific! I can't believe surgeons do this shit!

Other ‘feminising’ surgeries are even more horrific

Deadringer · 20/05/2025 08:52

Well isn't it great that they have found love in prison, that's what the justice system is all about isn't it? And you would imagine that those naughty, violent convicted killers would be more mindful of their manners. 🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2025 08:50

I think the Scottish prison service is one of the agencies dragging their heels until they receive the final EHRC guidance.

Puttinginthemiles · 20/05/2025 08:48

After the SC ruling, will he be moved? It's bloody outrageous.

MissyB1 · 20/05/2025 08:47

Igmum · 20/05/2025 08:41

It’s feminising surgery Missy. Reduces the prominence of the Adam’s Apple

Jesus!! That's horrific! I can't believe surgeons do this shit!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2025 08:43

BinBadger · 20/05/2025 08:40

This is shocking, appalling and disgraceful.

2 men in a women's prison - a child abuser and a murderer, are carrying out a physical sexual relationship Infront of the women incarcerated alongside them and are supported, facilitated and encouraged to do so by the prison authorities.

Any woman who refuses to call them women and who objects to the overt sexual behaviour is then dragged over the coals.

Right.

His current relationship is a female murderer. He has in the past been in a relationship with Sophie Eastwood, a male. Details in the link I shared above.

eatfigs · 20/05/2025 08:42

I don't understand why this was taken to court given the lack of evidence and how trivial it is even if it were true. Sounds like more special treatment for the man.

Igmum · 20/05/2025 08:41

MissyB1 · 20/05/2025 08:39

Can anyone tell me what is a tracheal shave?

It’s feminising surgery Missy. Reduces the prominence of the Adam’s Apple

Justme56 · 20/05/2025 08:41

MissyB1 · 20/05/2025 08:39

Can anyone tell me what is a tracheal shave?

Reducing the size of the Adam’s apple.

BinBadger · 20/05/2025 08:40

This is shocking, appalling and disgraceful.

2 men in a women's prison - a child abuser and a murderer, are carrying out a physical sexual relationship Infront of the women incarcerated alongside them and are supported, facilitated and encouraged to do so by the prison authorities.

Any woman who refuses to call them women and who objects to the overt sexual behaviour is then dragged over the coals.

Right.

Igmum · 20/05/2025 08:40

eatfigs · 20/05/2025 08:22

After the SC ruling shouldn't men in women's prisons be transferred back to the male prison estate?

This 👆

with an added FFS at the special treatment for these oh so special people

MissyB1 · 20/05/2025 08:39

Can anyone tell me what is a tracheal shave?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2025 08:35

NotBadConsidering · 20/05/2025 07:42

No, that’s not correct. I googled their names. I wish I hadn’t.

Nyomi Fee is female. She was in a lesbian relationship when she killed a little boy. Her and her partner were both convicted of murder. Now she’s in a heterosexual relationship with a man who is an equally horrible POS.

Yes, I think he did have a relationship with another trans identified male prisoner in the past though, incidentally.

myplace · 20/05/2025 08:30

And he must have had the tracheal shave done while in prison, too. WTEF?

myplace · 20/05/2025 08:29

NotBadConsidering · 20/05/2025 07:42

No, that’s not correct. I googled their names. I wish I hadn’t.

Nyomi Fee is female. She was in a lesbian relationship when she killed a little boy. Her and her partner were both convicted of murder. Now she’s in a heterosexual relationship with a man who is an equally horrible POS.

And the bloke stabbed a man he met through a gay dating site. Unless he was targeting gay men rather than dating them? How odd.

worrisomeasset · 20/05/2025 08:29

This is a prison in Scotland. Am I right to think the rules there are different to the prison system in England?

myplace · 20/05/2025 08:24

I’m shocked we still have men in women’s prisons.

eatfigs · 20/05/2025 08:22

After the SC ruling shouldn't men in women's prisons be transferred back to the male prison estate?

SpringCalling · 20/05/2025 08:21

Yes it’s the casual little details that are just dropped in like they are inconsequential that i find so chilling

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Moltenpink · 20/05/2025 08:17

They are having sex in the shower and special alone time with Chinese takeaways?

Stepfordian · 20/05/2025 08:10

Will anyone give me odds on him detransitioning as soon as he is released? Ffs a heterosexual man in a women’s prison, surely if he forms a romantic relationship in there they should be moved to separate prisons?! The world truly has gone mad.

edited to say he should never have been there in the first place!

Helleofabore · 20/05/2025 07:52

NotBadConsidering · 20/05/2025 07:42

No, that’s not correct. I googled their names. I wish I hadn’t.

Nyomi Fee is female. She was in a lesbian relationship when she killed a little boy. Her and her partner were both convicted of murder. Now she’s in a heterosexual relationship with a man who is an equally horrible POS.

Thanks for the clarification.

Kinsters · 20/05/2025 07:43

I found this article very difficult to follow (partially, I suspect, because of non sex based pronouns) but yes, it does seem that this man is in a women's prison despite retaining his penis.

"Fifty-one [transgender prisoners] (17%) were in female prisons. The majority of these (48) self-identified as transgender male, the remainder self-identified as transgender female, non-binary, in a different way[footnote 13] , or did not provide a response."

This is from the HMPPS Offender Equalities Report 2023/24
Published 28 November 2024. So this does suggest that there are up to 3 trans identifying males in female prisons. Note that these numbers don't include prisoners with a GRC of which there are 10.