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Even a 10 year old can understand it

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inkognithia · 19/05/2025 12:17

Thanks to Haribo, my daughter and I have had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected.

Sucked in by the power of marketing, she wanted to buy sweets in the supermarket, but they were branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but not those, and she obviously wanted to know why.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how there was a person who had created those characters who turned out to be a bully, and she would get money from anything sold that was to do with her work. Then in the car we had a longer chat about trans people in which I was very conscious that my way of explaining who they are might not be the best and I might be putting it badly, but it was better to have the talk now than not at all.

Her current stance is that she is not OK with bullies and has immediately accepted that we don't buy anything that gives them money, and she specifically says she is on the side of trans people because some of them are our friends. Which might not be the perfect motivation, but I'll take it.

Usefully, this also led to a shorter talk about how people should be allowed to love and marry who they like irrespective of gender, but mostly she was surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

Respect is so simple a 10 year old can grasp it.

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QueenProtea · 19/05/2025 14:06

“And then they all lived happily ever after.

The End.”

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/05/2025 14:05

Oh dear @inkognithia.

You're trying to "be kind" your daughter into agreeing with an ideology that only more impressionable Millennials and Gen Y believe in.

Her generation has already clocked that it's absolute bullshit.

If you want to ban your daughter from eating a particular flavour of Haribo because you don't want 0.00001% of the profit on a £2 bag of sweets to go to a particular person, you do you.

But boycotting someone who has donated over £250 million and counting to various charitable causes is not the flex you seem to think it is.

Thatcannotberight · 19/05/2025 14:00

Before my 10 yr old DS had the Transgender PHSE lesson from Jigsaw at his school, I carefully had a little chat with him, explaining that nobody is born in the wrong body, sex is binary and immutable. Nobody can change sex whatever they do their body.
So when that lesson happened, he knew it was nonsense and wasn't brainwashed by it.

MarieDeGournay · 19/05/2025 13:59

I know there's a theory that these obviously false stories are planted on MN to draw 'transphobic' responses that can then be tut-tutted over on Reddit, but I'm tending more towards the belief that they are posted to give us a good laugh, a chance to exercise our considerable wit in responding to them.

Ditto India W's tweet about the GC Movement 'buying' the Supreme Court, and all the funny responses - IW and the poster of this TERF wizard school stuff yarn are being what is called in the comedy business 'the straight man'😃

user101101 · 19/05/2025 13:51

Coatsoff42 · 19/05/2025 13:41

10 yr olds believe in all sorts. Some of them still believe in Santa. It’s not hard to persuade 10yr olds,

I also hope you told them haribo are ultra processed food and basically poison in a bag, and went and bought them an apple.

My tactic is to recount all sorts of tall tales. Now DC's first response is "is that real?". My answer would be "what do you think?"

Waitwhat23 · 19/05/2025 13:44

thenoisiesttermagant · 19/05/2025 13:42

Cool story Bro.

Hilarious anyone thinks this is what real life interactions with children are like. They're not mini-adults. Read up on child development and/or just read about / observe real life child behaviour before posting next time.

Also children will go along with anything for sweets hence why they need to be taught not to accept sweets from strangers.

Makes me think of this

Even a 10 year old can understand it
thenoisiesttermagant · 19/05/2025 13:42

inkognithia · 19/05/2025 12:17

Thanks to Haribo, my daughter and I have had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected.

Sucked in by the power of marketing, she wanted to buy sweets in the supermarket, but they were branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but not those, and she obviously wanted to know why.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how there was a person who had created those characters who turned out to be a bully, and she would get money from anything sold that was to do with her work. Then in the car we had a longer chat about trans people in which I was very conscious that my way of explaining who they are might not be the best and I might be putting it badly, but it was better to have the talk now than not at all.

Her current stance is that she is not OK with bullies and has immediately accepted that we don't buy anything that gives them money, and she specifically says she is on the side of trans people because some of them are our friends. Which might not be the perfect motivation, but I'll take it.

Usefully, this also led to a shorter talk about how people should be allowed to love and marry who they like irrespective of gender, but mostly she was surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

Respect is so simple a 10 year old can grasp it.

Cool story Bro.

Hilarious anyone thinks this is what real life interactions with children are like. They're not mini-adults. Read up on child development and/or just read about / observe real life child behaviour before posting next time.

Also children will go along with anything for sweets hence why they need to be taught not to accept sweets from strangers.

Coatsoff42 · 19/05/2025 13:41

10 yr olds believe in all sorts. Some of them still believe in Santa. It’s not hard to persuade 10yr olds,

I also hope you told them haribo are ultra processed food and basically poison in a bag, and went and bought them an apple.

StressedLP1 · 19/05/2025 13:32

You’re not mumsnetting very well AT ALL op. Even a total noob would know to make it a purchase of plain organic rice cakes whilst stressing that they were for the treat jar due to the carb content.

wont someone think of the obesity crisis? No wonder the NHS is on its knees etc etc.

Do better.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 13:31

All I see is an adult trying to indocrinate, shut down critical thought and recruit her daughter to a cult that believes that humans can miraclously change sex. 10 year old kids don't tend to challenge their parents or question why they are being taught to lie or suppress if they feel uncomfortable.

Let us be clear here; you are telling your 10 year old daughter that 'respect' demands that she gets changed in a changing room with any male who might come in and not to question it, cover up or otherwise remove herself from the situation because if she does she's a bigot who will be shunned.

And you are proud of this.

Slow handclap.

user101101 · 19/05/2025 13:23

Whoever thinks "even a 10 year old can understand" the concept of fairness hasn't met a 5 year old.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/05/2025 13:22

Hopefully 10 year old daughter won’t be trotting round calling people TERFs

now that would be bullying behaviour

user101101 · 19/05/2025 13:21

Ooh I thought the sweets were literally called "TERF wizard school" sweets. In which case, I would agree that calling people nasty names IS bullying.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/05/2025 13:21

Usefully, this also led to a shorter talk about how people should be allowed to love and marry who they like irrespective of gender, but mostly she was surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

so like JKR but without the gender bit though

Waitwhat23 · 19/05/2025 13:17

I'm just remembering JKR's marshmallow tweet. I'm sure it took some of the shine off the 'I'm going to make a pyre of all my HP books and merchandise, you bigot!!!' copy and pasters.

TWETMIRF · 19/05/2025 13:17

What did you tell to do if she's in a female changing area and someone gets their cock out? That she needs to accept that person is a woman and she's rude to have noticed or that he's a bad man and she should tell someone who can remove him?

Seeing a penis in a female only place is wrong and any 10 year old should be able to understand that.

Greyskybluesky · 19/05/2025 13:16

At a tangent, but it reminds me of a tweet a few years ago by a proud dad whose 2 daughters (about 6 and 8) had agreed with daddy that it was lovely that a boy (transgirl) had won the girls' running race at sports day because it was important to be kind. Daddy was so proud of their inclusive behaviour as "kids don't discriminate".

I felt so incredibly sad that daddy - the most influential male figure in these girls' lives at that point - thought it was right to tell his daughters that girls deserve second place in life. And not to realise that young kids will generally say anything for adult approval.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2025 13:08

Oh yes I remember that. They mostly seem to have given up on that copy and paste trolling tactic now they’ve all flounced to Bluesky.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/05/2025 13:06

This post reminds me of this from a couple of years ago, when TRA’s inundated JKR with identical tweets-

‘JKRowling, I have a 12 year old trans daughter and she cries everytime she sees one of your transphobic posts. She is a huge fan of Harry Potter but seeing the author of her favourite book series being so bigoted is heartbreaking. Please J.K, make my daughter happy again.”

And JKR’s devastating response-
‘My one-year-old son just looked up from Twitter and said, 'Mummy, why have you made these very real children sad with your heinous yet unevidenced bigotry?'
"Then he ran upstairs and burned all his Potter books. I was so damn ashamed I almost forgot the kid was imaginary.”

Same shit, different day 😂

nauticant · 19/05/2025 13:06

I don't think it's good parenting to indoctrinate a pre-teen with gender identity ideology just before they're heading into the environment of secondary school where the ideology might soon be falling very badly out of fashion.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2025 13:05

I’ll tell you what is also so simple even a ten year old can understand it: what a woman is.

Waitwhat23 · 19/05/2025 13:05

TERF wizard school stuff

Oh Lord, I can't stop laughing. You're actually ridiculous.

At least when Terfs boycott stuff, we can use our grown up words to describe the shop or service.

Greyskybluesky · 19/05/2025 13:02

I thought "one of the important chats" was going to be who's got vulvas and who's got willies.

Hope you managed to shoehorn that into your imaginary chat!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2025 13:02

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 19/05/2025 12:51

And then did everyone stand up and clap? An imaginary talk with an imaginary daughter, you should write a book.

She could write one about wizards, it seems like she’s identified a gap in the market there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2025 13:01

Needspaceforlego · 19/05/2025 12:21

What are you talking about?
Nobody gives a shit who marries who or want goes on inside anyone else's bedrooms or private spaces.

But people do care about public single sex spaces being single sex.

Does your 10yo understand they have a right to privacy from the opposite sex?

Exactly. I’m concerned that some people are giving their daughters the impression that men’s feelings come before their discomfort, dignity or ability to set boundaries.