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Even a 10 year old can understand it

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inkognithia · 19/05/2025 12:17

Thanks to Haribo, my daughter and I have had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected.

Sucked in by the power of marketing, she wanted to buy sweets in the supermarket, but they were branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but not those, and she obviously wanted to know why.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how there was a person who had created those characters who turned out to be a bully, and she would get money from anything sold that was to do with her work. Then in the car we had a longer chat about trans people in which I was very conscious that my way of explaining who they are might not be the best and I might be putting it badly, but it was better to have the talk now than not at all.

Her current stance is that she is not OK with bullies and has immediately accepted that we don't buy anything that gives them money, and she specifically says she is on the side of trans people because some of them are our friends. Which might not be the perfect motivation, but I'll take it.

Usefully, this also led to a shorter talk about how people should be allowed to love and marry who they like irrespective of gender, but mostly she was surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

Respect is so simple a 10 year old can grasp it.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2025 11:50

inkymoose · 21/05/2025 04:41

Thanks to the power of marketing, my daughter and I had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected. I thought the chat would come later in the day, the usual time for important chats, perhaps at bedtime when it is tooth brushing time and then story time. That's normally when I take the chance to explain gender constructs and the evils of bigoted TERFS, so that my daughter may be prepared for her sacrificial lamb status and life of virtuous sacrifice, but instead, surprisingly it was just before luncheon when we visited the supermarket expressly to buy Smarties, or an Aero. My daughter had somehow seen them advertised, even though I don't normally allow her to watch TV, and she said she would like to try them. She is ten years old, so I agreed to allow this despite knowing that her life would change forever when the colourful sugary chocolate-filled discs or the chocolatey bubbles ventured for the first time into her pristine alimentary canal. There would be no going back.

It was lucky for me that those confections were positioned near the display of Haribo which was branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but we weren't ever going to buy them again after today, because it was bad enough her wanting to ruin her teeth and her appetite with chocolate, but if she was attracted by the TERF wizard nonsense, she would be dead to me.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how those stories about wizards and witches are really nazi propaganda for bigoted TERFS, because the author of the stories has made lots of money selling her stories, and they aren't great stories, even though millions of people all over the world have enjoyed reading them, so the author doesn't deserve any money at all, because her stories are stupid and bad, and she can't write, all she can do is get money by bullying everyone.

So my daughter asked if she could just try one small Aero bar please, and she promised never to read the stupid stories, and always to turn her back on sweets that had TERF wizard advertising of any kind. She vowed then and there that she would never, ever taste a Haribo sweet.

What was I saying? Oh yes, I explained that sweets might seem tempting, but once you try one you will hurtle down the red road to Hell and damnation, and it is exactly the same thing when you start reading books about wizards. Don't be tempted, and stop crying, you pathetic little figment of my imagination. And she was sent to bed without any supper.

Brava 👏 👏

TWETMIRF · 21/05/2025 08:46

inkymoose · 21/05/2025 04:41

Thanks to the power of marketing, my daughter and I had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected. I thought the chat would come later in the day, the usual time for important chats, perhaps at bedtime when it is tooth brushing time and then story time. That's normally when I take the chance to explain gender constructs and the evils of bigoted TERFS, so that my daughter may be prepared for her sacrificial lamb status and life of virtuous sacrifice, but instead, surprisingly it was just before luncheon when we visited the supermarket expressly to buy Smarties, or an Aero. My daughter had somehow seen them advertised, even though I don't normally allow her to watch TV, and she said she would like to try them. She is ten years old, so I agreed to allow this despite knowing that her life would change forever when the colourful sugary chocolate-filled discs or the chocolatey bubbles ventured for the first time into her pristine alimentary canal. There would be no going back.

It was lucky for me that those confections were positioned near the display of Haribo which was branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but we weren't ever going to buy them again after today, because it was bad enough her wanting to ruin her teeth and her appetite with chocolate, but if she was attracted by the TERF wizard nonsense, she would be dead to me.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how those stories about wizards and witches are really nazi propaganda for bigoted TERFS, because the author of the stories has made lots of money selling her stories, and they aren't great stories, even though millions of people all over the world have enjoyed reading them, so the author doesn't deserve any money at all, because her stories are stupid and bad, and she can't write, all she can do is get money by bullying everyone.

So my daughter asked if she could just try one small Aero bar please, and she promised never to read the stupid stories, and always to turn her back on sweets that had TERF wizard advertising of any kind. She vowed then and there that she would never, ever taste a Haribo sweet.

What was I saying? Oh yes, I explained that sweets might seem tempting, but once you try one you will hurtle down the red road to Hell and damnation, and it is exactly the same thing when you start reading books about wizards. Don't be tempted, and stop crying, you pathetic little figment of my imagination. And she was sent to bed without any supper.

Parklife!

INeedAPensieve · 21/05/2025 08:32

Ah I went back to this thread in the hope we had had more engagement from the op, but alas!!!! No!!!

I find drive by scolds quite funny now. Used to wind me up as it was so sanctimonious and could sometimes be aggressive and rude but it just reeks of desperation.

Anyway.

Off to buy some Haribo potter sweets...

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 21/05/2025 07:58

inkymoose · 21/05/2025 04:41

Thanks to the power of marketing, my daughter and I had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected. I thought the chat would come later in the day, the usual time for important chats, perhaps at bedtime when it is tooth brushing time and then story time. That's normally when I take the chance to explain gender constructs and the evils of bigoted TERFS, so that my daughter may be prepared for her sacrificial lamb status and life of virtuous sacrifice, but instead, surprisingly it was just before luncheon when we visited the supermarket expressly to buy Smarties, or an Aero. My daughter had somehow seen them advertised, even though I don't normally allow her to watch TV, and she said she would like to try them. She is ten years old, so I agreed to allow this despite knowing that her life would change forever when the colourful sugary chocolate-filled discs or the chocolatey bubbles ventured for the first time into her pristine alimentary canal. There would be no going back.

It was lucky for me that those confections were positioned near the display of Haribo which was branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but we weren't ever going to buy them again after today, because it was bad enough her wanting to ruin her teeth and her appetite with chocolate, but if she was attracted by the TERF wizard nonsense, she would be dead to me.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how those stories about wizards and witches are really nazi propaganda for bigoted TERFS, because the author of the stories has made lots of money selling her stories, and they aren't great stories, even though millions of people all over the world have enjoyed reading them, so the author doesn't deserve any money at all, because her stories are stupid and bad, and she can't write, all she can do is get money by bullying everyone.

So my daughter asked if she could just try one small Aero bar please, and she promised never to read the stupid stories, and always to turn her back on sweets that had TERF wizard advertising of any kind. She vowed then and there that she would never, ever taste a Haribo sweet.

What was I saying? Oh yes, I explained that sweets might seem tempting, but once you try one you will hurtle down the red road to Hell and damnation, and it is exactly the same thing when you start reading books about wizards. Don't be tempted, and stop crying, you pathetic little figment of my imagination. And she was sent to bed without any supper.

Wait…i just posted a laugh emoji and now I am worried that this is also a completely true story like the OP

😳

KnottyAuty · 21/05/2025 07:37

Last night I listened to WH on BBC Sounds with DD (14). She’d asked why “everyone” at her girls’ school was a lesbian last week which we’d had a chat about. So she was prepared to listen to the section of WH with LGB Alliance and remained remarkably interested. Usually mum-stuff is “boring”. After it was finished I popped on the episode from last week with RMW for balance. She suffered a whiplash while washing the dishes on hearing the deep tenor of RMW’s voice and then had a fit of the giggles at the idea this could be a female voice. Unlike OP’s scenario, this did actually happen.

edited rogue apostrophe

Kucinghitam · 21/05/2025 06:51

Thank you OP for giving the brilliant women of Mumsnet this glorious thread, showing how much wittier and funnier they are than you could ever hope to be Grin

RayonSunrise · 21/05/2025 05:37

Ah, Chat GTP. The endless bilge of auto-generated crap that keeps on giving.

inkymoose · 21/05/2025 04:41

BaseDrops · 20/05/2025 22:52

What’s your speech if your child wanted a tube of Smarties, or an Aero?

Thanks to the power of marketing, my daughter and I had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected. I thought the chat would come later in the day, the usual time for important chats, perhaps at bedtime when it is tooth brushing time and then story time. That's normally when I take the chance to explain gender constructs and the evils of bigoted TERFS, so that my daughter may be prepared for her sacrificial lamb status and life of virtuous sacrifice, but instead, surprisingly it was just before luncheon when we visited the supermarket expressly to buy Smarties, or an Aero. My daughter had somehow seen them advertised, even though I don't normally allow her to watch TV, and she said she would like to try them. She is ten years old, so I agreed to allow this despite knowing that her life would change forever when the colourful sugary chocolate-filled discs or the chocolatey bubbles ventured for the first time into her pristine alimentary canal. There would be no going back.

It was lucky for me that those confections were positioned near the display of Haribo which was branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but we weren't ever going to buy them again after today, because it was bad enough her wanting to ruin her teeth and her appetite with chocolate, but if she was attracted by the TERF wizard nonsense, she would be dead to me.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how those stories about wizards and witches are really nazi propaganda for bigoted TERFS, because the author of the stories has made lots of money selling her stories, and they aren't great stories, even though millions of people all over the world have enjoyed reading them, so the author doesn't deserve any money at all, because her stories are stupid and bad, and she can't write, all she can do is get money by bullying everyone.

So my daughter asked if she could just try one small Aero bar please, and she promised never to read the stupid stories, and always to turn her back on sweets that had TERF wizard advertising of any kind. She vowed then and there that she would never, ever taste a Haribo sweet.

What was I saying? Oh yes, I explained that sweets might seem tempting, but once you try one you will hurtle down the red road to Hell and damnation, and it is exactly the same thing when you start reading books about wizards. Don't be tempted, and stop crying, you pathetic little figment of my imagination. And she was sent to bed without any supper.

TheKhakiQuail · 21/05/2025 03:58

inkognithia · 19/05/2025 12:17

Thanks to Haribo, my daughter and I have had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected.

Sucked in by the power of marketing, she wanted to buy sweets in the supermarket, but they were branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but not those, and she obviously wanted to know why.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how there was a person who had created those characters who turned out to be a bully, and she would get money from anything sold that was to do with her work. Then in the car we had a longer chat about trans people in which I was very conscious that my way of explaining who they are might not be the best and I might be putting it badly, but it was better to have the talk now than not at all.

Her current stance is that she is not OK with bullies and has immediately accepted that we don't buy anything that gives them money, and she specifically says she is on the side of trans people because some of them are our friends. Which might not be the perfect motivation, but I'll take it.

Usefully, this also led to a shorter talk about how people should be allowed to love and marry who they like irrespective of gender, but mostly she was surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

Respect is so simple a 10 year old can grasp it.

I very much agree with teaching kids no-one should be bullied, and they are aware of the great diversity of people out there and the importance of kindness and respect. Just out of curiosity, how did you explain the concept of being trans to your 10yo?

SinnerBoy · 21/05/2025 02:38

murasaki · 19/05/2025 14:58

I didn't know my sister was on here, hello sis!

Oh, I thought she must be my sister...

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 23:09

'And next up on things that didn't actually happen today...'

BaseDrops · 20/05/2025 22:52

What’s your speech if your child wanted a tube of Smarties, or an Aero?

BaseDrops · 20/05/2025 22:50

inkognithia · 19/05/2025 12:17

Thanks to Haribo, my daughter and I have had one of the important chats a little earlier than I'd expected.

Sucked in by the power of marketing, she wanted to buy sweets in the supermarket, but they were branded with TERF wizard school stuff, so I explained that we could buy sweets, but not those, and she obviously wanted to know why.

Thus we had a short chat in the supermarket about how there was a person who had created those characters who turned out to be a bully, and she would get money from anything sold that was to do with her work. Then in the car we had a longer chat about trans people in which I was very conscious that my way of explaining who they are might not be the best and I might be putting it badly, but it was better to have the talk now than not at all.

Her current stance is that she is not OK with bullies and has immediately accepted that we don't buy anything that gives them money, and she specifically says she is on the side of trans people because some of them are our friends. Which might not be the perfect motivation, but I'll take it.

Usefully, this also led to a shorter talk about how people should be allowed to love and marry who they like irrespective of gender, but mostly she was surprised that anyone would think otherwise.

Respect is so simple a 10 year old can grasp it.

And then everybody clapped.

Clap Good Job GIF by U.S. Army
Ohsisterwhereartthou · 20/05/2025 22:47

Am I the only one who thought "eh, even for these days, Haribo is a bit of unusual name to give your child"
Perhaps she identifies as gelatine gender? 🤔

JillAndJenTheFlowerpotMen · 20/05/2025 19:58

Wait.

There are HARRY POTTER HARIBO???

Rushes to google nearest stockist…

orangegato · 20/05/2025 19:46

Well if she’s ever confronted by an intact adult male in lipstick and fuck all else in the changing rooms you can pat yourself on the back can’t you.

JanesLittleGirl · 20/05/2025 19:42

This was a pretty piss-poor performance even by the depressingly low standard of plop and run posters that we have enjoyed endured over the years.

EweSurname · 20/05/2025 17:41

I had a chat with my DC about the epistemological nature of sex and whether it can be overridden by a postmodern framework in which language constructs its own reality. They said that Judith butler was talking bollocks and that material reality was the essential to maintaining coherent distinctions. Then everyone clapped.

Waitwhat23 · 20/05/2025 17:28

I'm still wondering which sweetie was deemed virtuous enough!

Glacier mints? Liquorice wheel? (Shudders) Parma Violets?

Annoyedone · 20/05/2025 17:14

And the daughter’s name was……Albert Einstein 😂😂😂😂😂

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 20/05/2025 09:08

Supporting abused women equals bullying in your world, then?

Blimey, the misogyny is blatant with this one.

Waitwhat23 · 19/05/2025 19:24

MarieDeGournay · 19/05/2025 18:30

The sweets in that car are in the colours of the Irish national flag- I wonder why.
Maybe they are driving the snakes out of Ireland?🐍☘Grin

Snakes begone!

Gummy Worms Food GIF by Phyllis Ma
inkymoose · 19/05/2025 19:16

That's a terrible story. It's twee, arch, and boring, and doesn't have a beginning, middle or end that make the story consistent within its own world. You claim to have had "one of the important chats" with your ten-year-old daughter, but she is a mere prop in your unimaginative lecture about the Evils of Terfery, and the "important chat" doth not a story make, unless something else happened, which it didn't. Daughter did not get to say anything even mildly rude like "I don't care daddy! I just want my sweets now!" The reader never gets to find out which correctly packaged sweets she was allowed to have, and frankly, that is the most interesting bit.

I hope you are not a creative writing student.

P.S. I have a assumed that you are the father of this child because of your very awkward relationship with her in this story. However, I do realise that both of you are fictional, so it doesn't matter really.

Stepfordian · 19/05/2025 19:04

So you don’t have any friends who are women then?

Needspaceforlego · 19/05/2025 18:32

What do you call a Wookie with no teeth?,
A Gummie Bear 🐻