Polling of the SC judgement in favour of biological sex

Re the poll, I would have liked to see the results divided by sex. But these MPs doubling down are really the pits. And why?

I’d remembered seeing a picture of Whittle in a wheelchair so googled and found they have MS. Interestingly MS symptoms may increase with drop in oestrogen post menopause - tho no proper studies to confirm how/how much etc

I know a TW who spent two years with a colostomy after bottom surgery. They had been assured it was a well-established procedure, going back decades, and there were hardly ever complications.

The health impacts are different for men and women and also depend on how much surgery they have had and when they had it. Men dont normally get their cock and balls removed, women often get their breasts removed.

Yes a lot of research is of poor quality because there has been opposition to, and refusal to co-operate with, any research. There is actually a higher suicide rate in those who transitioned in the past, lots of debate about why. Debate too about what impact it will have on the brain when hormones are started young.

Yes it's probably worse for women because they go through an early menopause - and they usually have surgery when men dont. You really dont want to try and read up on the complications if men do have surgery, they are horrendous. The quoted complication rates are about 3 in 4 for men having surgery.

Some people, mainly detransitioners, do talk about it but their stories are pretty harrowing.

Thanks for all these links, much appreciated.

Re the long-term effects on health - are there any reliable stats on this? There will be long-term research on women who've had hysterectomies long before menopause for medical reasons, but those who have had hormone therapy as well will have been given oestrogen (and progresterone?), not testosterone.

It was vanishingly rare until recently for girls and women to have medical and surgical treatment purely to try to look more like men. Professor Stephen Whittle is one of the few who did follow this path. Whittle is 70 this year.

Re medical conditions caused by gender medicalisation . I keep hearing about the long term negative effects/impact but also watched many vids of older 50plus that did it years ago and not the health correlation I would have expected, but maybe they (detrans) don’t talk about it? Are the long term negative effects of medicalisation proven? Are there any stats? Honestly if they end up a hairy woman without breasts is bad enough imo . Is it worse for women? Probably as evething usual is!

Starmer backed the right horsey eventually. He’d have doubled down on the female penis thing if he thought he’d get a vote out of it, cxnt.

Thanks OP. That is heartening to read.

I think it might be due to the trans rates being 1 in 75 for under 25s and 1 in 93 for under 35s. If you know someone who transitioned as a teen or is one of your school mates your more likely to be sympathetic compared to someone dealing with the abrupt transition of Bob from accounts who turns up one Monday morning in fetish gear. They’ve been taught this at school. And being younger they’ll tends towards being more optimistic or not understanding others’ POVs because of the confidence of youth. TransgenderIsm isn’t going anywhere. It will be incorporated into everyday life but in a much more moderate form and in unisex style facilities. The debate they didn’t want will happen and the public will take it there so trans people will be accepted in society but they’ll need to fund their own treatment (if it’s not a mental illness then the legal convention that the NHS pays is removed) and it will be via third/unisex spaces. Hopefully they’ll be tight controls on children’s transition. There will be issues surrounding issues of sex and deception for the puberty blocked cohort which will be worked through the courts in a drawn out way. And women forevermore will be on high alert watching the lawmakers and not taking our rights for granted. Then after a while the osteoporosis cases and all the early deaths will start to come to the fore. Fingers will be pointed. There will be scandals - you never told us etc yes we did. GI will slip back in numbers to a tiny minority because it will become old fashioned and mainstream. Might take 20-40 years depending on the medical issues and how quickly all that comes out. Shame we can’t just short circuit it all and all the pain/difficulties which are surely to come and agree a sensible consensus now?

Though as usual, I am suprised at how many support the other side.

" just 31 per cent of under-24s agreeing with the Supreme Court decision compared with 72 per cent of 50 to 64-year-olds."

I can only assume that those under-24s are cognitively immature, as the Scottish Sentencing Council would say.

"There was also strong backing for sports bodies restricting women’s teams based on biological sex: 74 per cent said this was the right decision, 12 per cent said it was the wrong decision and 14 per cent did not know."

So 12% of people think that women's sports should include men?! It's just so obvious to me that I don't understand why that percentage isn't less than 1%, with those agreeing with it either being trans themselves or not understanding the question.

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/c7089eca-438d-4086-82a7-05c141fc6d99?shareToken=b798d87f807f30adaa7d7e6467451dcc

Thanks for sharing. Clearly we’re not in the minority in welcoming the judgement.