Kellie Jay Keen

‘This "you're 100% with us or you're far-right nazi aligned" is such an unintelligent way of debating (if you can call it that).’

It really does reduce the discourse to a juvenile level, quite frankly they bore the arse off me!

Liking someone, being friends with them, associating with them or agreeing with someone on some subjects doesn't mean you automatically agree with them on everything.

100%. I have dear friends who I agree with on almost nothing. It's their character I value them for, not a policy checklist.

I doubt that KJK will ever lose the ability to make me say "fuck sake, what were you thinking?", but that's not the point. She is a force of nature and I'm glad she's around whether I agree with her choices or not.

And let's not forget that the whole "KJK hangs out with nazis" meme started not with TRAs, but with left wing feminists who think it's extremely important that we're all left wing and put loyalty to that cause first. I could say a lot about some of the people they hang out with.

You have to give them points for effort, it certainly must take effort to post stuff repeatedly, and probably under different user names, that you know is a pile of sh**. Especially now, when it takes two minutes to show them up.

I agree with Glinner

When Ed Koch was mayor of NYC, he used to say "If you agree with me on 9 out of 12 issues, vote for me. If you agree with me on 12 out of 12 issues, see a psychiatrist." We could do with more of that spirit.

Quite. I'd like to see citations for KJK "associating with neo-nazis", having "ties with far-right anti-LGBT groups" or being "far-right Christian aligned".

If nothing else - and I know this will come as a shock to some - it is entirely possible to agree with people on some subjects and not others. Liking someone, being friends with them, associating with them or agreeing with someone on some subjects doesn't mean you automatically agree with them on everything.

This "you're 100% with us or you're far-right nazi aligned" is such an unintelligent way of debating (if you can call it that).

And for those who just want to pile on to every fucking thread at the moment to lecture us on why we're wrong, why the GC movement is "secretly a front for [insert trope here]" or is somehow harming women, or just to plop in to make the same facetious arguments we've heard over and over again for absolutely years, please just bore off back to Reddit.

My head is spinning what with all the breakneck changes of spin and the squirrels running everywhere.

I’ve never seen such self contradictory, inconsistent bollocks spouted in all my days.

She seems to get targeted for absolutely no good reason.

There’s a weird strategy of saying that everyone who disagrees with me on anything at all is by definition- an islamophobe, and antisemite, a homophobe, a right wing Christian, a bigot, a racist a nazi and all the other insults that can be dredged from the mud and flung.

Can you not see how deluded and incoherent you sound? Do you genuinely not know the history of the accusations you make? Are you actually just parroting some stuff you’ve been told- probably at the same time you swallowed hook line and sinker JKR as a baby eating bishop of Bath and Wells.

It’s genuinely tripe and it won’t wash here.

I’m embarrassed for you.

She's not my preferred brand of feminist, but some of Australia's best lawyers ran up a 7 figure bill and spent 3 weeks in court largely trying to prove that KJK "associates with nazis", and the judge looked at all the evidence provided and said no reasonable person could conclude she shares nazi or right-wing extremist views. You don't have to like her or agree with her on anything, but this type of unfounded character attack is just silly. Why not criticize her for something accurate?

When Ed Koch was mayor of NYC, he used to say "If you agree with me on 9 out of 12 issues, vote for me. If you agree with me on 12 out of 12 issues, see a psychiatrist." We could do with more of that spirit.

It's not compulsory to pick a tribe and agree with 100% of what influencers in your tribe say. In fact it's unhealthy.

And as for guilt by association, is that a road that it's sensible for TRAs to go down? Or even KJK's socfem critics, given what a lot of left wing men are like?

Never mind, I found the post.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5326759-following-the-sc-judgement-will-banners-posters-be-invited-back?reply=144012624&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

"BeckyAMumsnet · 03/05/2025 12:30

Hello ** it's a fair question. These cases were rarely straightforward and usually involved a pattern of posting behaviour rather than a single post or opinion tbh. If any poster who was banned in the past feels they would like to come back, they are welcome to get in touch with MNHQ."

I'm not fond of Donald Trump, but I do think it's great that the President of the United States, whoever happens to be occupying that role, is "associated with the cause". Without people with actual power on our side, the tide wouldn't be turning.

I see you’re from the ‘you’re either with me 100% or you’re against me 100%’ brigade, it is perfectly possible to agree with someone on one or two issues and vehemently disagree with them on others. It’s called being a grown up. Do you vote in general elections? Presumably you don’t endorse the party you vote for 100% of the time? Or maybe you do.

Oh FGS! 🙄If she's a far right Christian then I'm the fucking pope!

The Christian-hating (and atheists-who-speak-to-Christians-hating) TRAs can breathe a sigh of relief.

Wow this thread went mental in under 50 comments 😆

I can see why KJK won't be coming back to Mumsnet 🤣

And I was agreeing with a later poster as quoted?

Yes of course she associates with Neo Nazi groups as their bestest friend, and that absolutely hasn't been debunked as a whole lot of derailing nonsense eleventy billion times when it's appeared in Pavlovian response to anyone saying her name.

It's a bit like saying 'bundle' too many times, although rumour has it, if you say KJK's name into a mirror three times, you can see a bunch of baffled Australian Christian extremists protecting middle aged lesbians from a rampaging mob in slightly odd outfits, shouting 'love' while assaulting and battering.

How did I know you’d reference him next?

Perhaps there is a list of flawless GC poster boys/girls we can refer to? That would be a helpful document. A fucking nightmare and full time job to maintain/add to/delete from but hey ho

Gosh!! Imagine repeating something that an Australian judge ruled was completely untrue. And found the MP who was caught up in the same accusation was defamed and is now getting millions paid in costs.

How embarrassing to be posting misinformation!

Which ones are they?

Are they the same neo Nazis as the ones John Pesutto claimed Moira Deeming was hanging out with?
Cos that blatant lie has just bankrupted him, to the tune of $2m.

She hangs out with neo-nazis, for starters.

Re
"They've now said all these banned feminists can come back if they ask!"

Does anyone have a link to the thread this was on? I saw the post from mnhq the other day and now can't remember which thread it was on.

While we're playing guilt by association, I bring Sarah Jane Barker, transwoman and convicted murderer, feted by TRAS.

You seem very focussed on how things might look bad, and being tangentially associated with wrong think,

Donald Trump is correct there are 2 sexes, but he is also a self serving, stupid, narcissistic, arrogant wanker. I wouldn’t waste any energy worrying that correctly understanding there are 2 sexes somehow mysteriously aligns me with Donald Trump. That’s outside my control - what am I going to do? Start believing any old nonsense as long as it’s the opposite of what DT thinks just so it “looks good” to the watching thought police of the left?

I think it’s far better to work things out for yourself, find actual facts, and decide what you think on that basis. Don’t look over your shoulder to check if what you think is “acceptable”.