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Every element of the current situation was planned

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colourmystic · 17/05/2025 15:39

I realised today, reading about a Japanese rape crisis centre being shut down because its chair is 'transphobic', that none of this is accidental.
Every supporting element was selected and implemented to make women more anxious, more at risk, more disempowered, more isolated, more ashamed of critical thinking, more focused on survival, and less likely to self-advocate, to report rape or abuse, less likely to hold positions of power.
The architects of current gender ideology are doubtless very satisfied with how it's going.
*I probably don't have the details of the Japanese rape crisis centre specifically accurate, it doesn't really make much difference. The end result, planned, is the same.
This has been a bit earth-shattering for me. I was told years ago that the foundations were laid ages ago in the Yogyakarta Principles, and I thought the teller was being a bit wild. They were absolutely correct, and now I'm two years behind where I should be in this work.

Fuck.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2025 16:54

Kinsters · 17/05/2025 15:48

They didn't plan for Maya, JKR (and many others) or Mumsnet though did they 🥰

No 💪

Kinsters · 17/05/2025 16:36

colourmystic · 17/05/2025 16:18

I'm glad that you seem positive :) That's cool and I like it.

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Of course. The Supreme Court (contrary to what has been said) is the ultimate arbiter of the law in the UK and its judgement is very powerful. Politicians make the law and can change it but I think it's extremely unlikely that they will. All the noise about removing "transohobic influences" at the EHRC, interpreting other acts differently and overruling the Supreme Court is just that - noise.

PriOn1 · 17/05/2025 16:31

Yogyakarta was certainly a significant moment, but those pushing through the GRA in a form which deliberately created confusion did so in 2004. They have also openly admitted, even at that stage, to having an agenda of deliberate secrecy and of pushing to give the broadest possible brush they could for expansion of who could get one. This attempted coup has been very thoroughly planned.

Their attempt to get self-ID pushed through in the UK was where it started to go wrong. They had lied about the EA for years, effectively bringing in self-ID through the back door, and bringing the law into line with their “getting ahead of the law” as they called it, was meant to be the coup-de-grace for women’s rights.

They reckoned without us though. Grassroots women objected so effectively that self-ID was sidelined. We’re not out of the woods yet, but it’s a lot better than it could have been.

nauticant · 17/05/2025 16:31

That said though, I don't think there's an overriding conspiracy. I think that for a number of reasons culture and society has undergone sudden and wide changes, with some of them overshooting what the public would be happy with, and in this chaotic situation there are many many abusers who have been thrilled to exploit gaps and sought to erode safeguarding, and because it's happened over a relatively short timeframe, and separate efforts appear to have worked in concert, it can sometimes look like it was all planned.

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colourmystic · 17/05/2025 16:29

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 16:25

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2021/the-trans-rights-that-trump-all/

'Two years after the GRA was passed, a set of 29 guiding rules on recognition and treatment of LGBT people were laid down at a meeting in Indonesia. The “Yogyakarta Principles” demanded that a person’s self-defined gender identity be legally recognised without the need for medical treatment, transforming the GRA from obscure British legislation to a minimum standard for the entire world.

The Principles were drafted and signed by a group of lawyers, human rights experts and trans rights activists, including Robert Wintemute, professor of human rights law at King’s College London. Since then Wintemute has had second thoughts. He says women’s rights were not considered during the meeting and that he should have challenged some aspects of the Principles. Admitting he “failed to consider” that trans women still in possession of their male genitals would seek to access female-only spaces, Wintemute, who is gay, says: “A key factor in my change of opinion has been listening to women.”
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'Having considered the Principles’ implications for women, Wintemute says he should have challenged references to “self-defined gender identity” and to “changes to identity documents [being] recognised in all contexts” in Principle 3. “If I had thought through the implications of Principle 3,” says Wintemute, “I would have had to consider the potential for conflict with women’s rights, but I didn’t.” Neither, so far as he knows, did anyone else at the meeting at which the Principles were drafted. “Women’s rights weren’t raised.”'

Gee, Wintermute. Your staggering obliviousness to the idea that maybe women could have been consulted, is marginally less rage-inducing than your mealy-mouthed chagrin. Also, Wintermute, I sure hope you wouldn't knock back a transman as a potential partner. We all learned that that's transphobic in our mandated work Thought Reform camps.

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nauticant · 17/05/2025 16:27

Kirkup has been sound on this issue for years.

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 16:27

Ooh. I note that Wintemute has a book that's due out imminently.

https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Robert-Wintemute/Transgender-Rights-vs-Womens-Rights--From-Conflicts-to-Co-Existence/30372784

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colourmystic · 17/05/2025 16:26

BarbieBrightSide · 17/05/2025 16:24

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

James Kirkup in the Spectator

His final sentence:

I’m going to conclude with an observation I’ve made here before, but which I think bears repeating in the context of that report and the things it might tell people about other aspects of the trans issue: no policy made in the shadows can survive in sunlight.

Yeah, found that. Kirkup good?

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ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 16:25

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2021/the-trans-rights-that-trump-all/

'Two years after the GRA was passed, a set of 29 guiding rules on recognition and treatment of LGBT people were laid down at a meeting in Indonesia. The “Yogyakarta Principles” demanded that a person’s self-defined gender identity be legally recognised without the need for medical treatment, transforming the GRA from obscure British legislation to a minimum standard for the entire world.

The Principles were drafted and signed by a group of lawyers, human rights experts and trans rights activists, including Robert Wintemute, professor of human rights law at King’s College London. Since then Wintemute has had second thoughts. He says women’s rights were not considered during the meeting and that he should have challenged some aspects of the Principles. Admitting he “failed to consider” that trans women still in possession of their male genitals would seek to access female-only spaces, Wintemute, who is gay, says: “A key factor in my change of opinion has been listening to women.”
...
'Having considered the Principles’ implications for women, Wintemute says he should have challenged references to “self-defined gender identity” and to “changes to identity documents [being] recognised in all contexts” in Principle 3. “If I had thought through the implications of Principle 3,” says Wintemute, “I would have had to consider the potential for conflict with women’s rights, but I didn’t.” Neither, so far as he knows, did anyone else at the meeting at which the Principles were drafted. “Women’s rights weren’t raised.”'

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colourmystic · 17/05/2025 16:22

nauticant · 17/05/2025 16:20

https://whatisawoman.uk/TheDentonsdocument/

To give an example, this was being pushed in the shadows by a multinational law firm with considerable reach:

In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection

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Wonder if Dentons or Yogyakarta was first. Will research. Thanks :)

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nauticant · 17/05/2025 16:20

https://whatisawoman.uk/TheDentonsdocument/

To give an example, this was being pushed in the shadows by a multinational law firm with considerable reach:

In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection

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colourmystic · 17/05/2025 16:18

Kinsters · 17/05/2025 15:48

They didn't plan for Maya, JKR (and many others) or Mumsnet though did they 🥰

I'm glad that you seem positive :) That's cool and I like it.

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colourmystic · 17/05/2025 16:17

spannasaurus · 17/05/2025 15:45

Have you read the Dentons report?

No. Been inactive for a while (homeless, working, child and dog). Could you give me a real quick orientation?

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Kinsters · 17/05/2025 15:48

They didn't plan for Maya, JKR (and many others) or Mumsnet though did they 🥰

spannasaurus · 17/05/2025 15:45

Have you read the Dentons report?