TW who supports the SC ruling - AMA

In Britain yes. This child was not brought up in Britain and has never been to school here. Perhaps wind your (patronising) neck in!?

I am interested to read your perspective on this as a very good friend of mine has a young family member who from a very young age, 4 or 5, announced that they were not their birth sex (sorry if this I clumsy, I have phrased it like this for the sake of brevity and to protect identity, and have no wish to offend) So this conviction was formed without any outside influence at all and is free of any hint of social contagion, although I suppose that may have come into play subsequently. I don't think so though.

You do know the trans ideology has been in schools and on childrens tv for a decade now?

I really struggle to understand how any man says they feel like a woman, how do they know what a woman feels like? - is this mainly the rejection of feeling like a man and therefore you adopt the opposite and think I must be woman. But feeling like a woman is a collection of experiences that define who you are for the year zero - if you are a transwoman you have a different collection of experiences that as a transwoman you can't replicate. We live by different standards - whether we like it or not - we (women) battle for equality on that basis. Transwomen battle for equality on a completely different basis, they can never be the same. We can never be part of the same - it's just insulting to both groups to think we can.

I am interested to read your perspective on this as a very good friend of mine has a young family member who from a very young age, 4 or 5, announced that they were not their birth sex (sorry if this I clumsy, I have phrased it like this for the sake of brevity and to protect identity, and have no wish to offend) So this conviction was formed without any outside influence at all and is free of any hint of social contagion, although I suppose that may have come into play subsequently. I don't think so though.

For a long time this was just treated as any other young boy wanting to play with dolls or girl wanting to play football with the boys. This youngster is now approaching 13 years old, the family and school have agreed to them presenting as the opposite sex to the one they were born, they accept the new name and pronouns.

Obviously puberty is about to hit and I don't in any way want to make this sound trivial but it will be interesting to see what happens. It seems to me to be the worst thing to make any medical intervention towards transition too early, and I think this aspect of the treatment of children has absolutely soured the debate and horrified many people.

This is problem, isnt it?

People are talking about the definition of trans being too broad, and will include people without a diagnosis, therapy or hormones. But its taken on faith that the diagnosis is meaningful. Good therapists question the patients assumptions, but if GD is how a person feels, who can ultimately say the patient doesn't feel that way?

So get therapy instead of assuming you're a woman trapped in a man's body. Psychosomatic discomfort is not a special unique thing that only gender confused people experience, it's pretty widespread.

Making men's lives easier is not even on my list of priorities. That's men's job, not mine.

I've visited active websites that boast about giving anyone at all a diagnosis of GD over the phone in as little as 15 minutes, for a fee, of course.
I can dig up the reference if you're interested, or sceptical.
Anyway, in at least one state in my country, a GP can be sacked if they don't agree with a minor's self-diagnosis. Again, provable.

Writing to my MP, that is certainly something I'm going to do to start with though.

That is a great start! That is how we restore the democratic process that has been deliberately circumvented by the TRAs. Think how much ammunition it gives a GC-leaning MP to be able to stand up in Parliament and say that they have trans-identified constituents who support the ruling. Think how it might give the weak, TRA-led MPs food for thought to realise that some of their trans-identified constituents disagree with the TRAs

Thank you. That's what I was getting at yesterday.

I'm bored of hearing the opinions of male people on a clarification of existing equality law.

Especially on a site for women.

@VanishingVision it is difficult to hear the strong reactions from some people on here, but after years of being gaslighted and scolded some of us have drawn a very hard line.

But that is the nature of this board there are very robust arguments and disagreements, that is all it is.

So try not to be upset, your post is important to some of us and has for me shed some light.

I don't think that is necessarily a moderate view (unisex instead of sex segregated spaces).

Some people suggest this could be a 'compromise' but whenever a compromise is proposed it is essential to accurately identify who and what is being compromised.

The devil is in the detail.

Agree. Anything 'moderate' still relies upon the acceptance of unacceptable premises. Men are not women and any men who insist on being treated as such are dangerous.

My question is, Why do you assume anyone else is interested in how you feel?
The male sense of entitlement is strong.

Many brave women stood up to the witch-hunters and got us to the point where we have the SC ruling. Maybe trans-identified people could write to their MPs to say that they support the ruling. Explain to them that there are many men using the cover of 'trans' to indulge their fetishes. Have a quiet word with HR to say that they are content to use the facilities provided for their sex. Have a chat with their local leisure centre to find a way to include them without encroaching on women's spaces. I'm wondering if you can think of anything else that trans-identified people could do to help.

The moderate voice is still one that wants some men to be treated as if they are not men.

The calls for unisex spaces is based on the idea that some people cannot be grouped with their sex.

Is this really a moderate view or an imposed compromise?

“Some” male people
that should read.

Because Arabella, as you know, male people like to make sure that female people know that they can ignore female people's boundaries and access the spaces set up for female people. I am sure that most of those reading that post understood the dynamic they just witnessed.

I hope those reading along also understand this is exactly the dynamic we describe as a motivator when any male person now enters a female single sex space after the Supreme Court clarification. To be fair, it was most likely the motivator for a large proportion of male people entering any provision that was designated female single sex.

And I am also thinking that readers will have noticed the strength of the emotional manipulation being used to demand what pronouns people use. Pronouns eh? So harmless and insignificant that no one should have any issue at all with using demanded pronouns, yet such a powerful necessity that it seems to cause families to be split if demands not met. But... so, so, so, harmless.... yet, people don't seem to have any choice but to act in compliance of someone's philosophical belief about themselves.

I remember the thread that that particular poster started. I am not surprised to see the nature of their posts here.

This is a feminist board, on a site called 'Mumsnet', created by and for women.

So where do you get off telling a woman that 'the men are having a conversation' and using a patronising term to do so? Absolutely risible.

Infertile and post menopausal here so it's a double get ta fuck from me. I was born female and will die female.

I'm also an infertile woman, but still very much a woman. So it's a resounding fuck off from me too.