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TW who supports the SC ruling - AMA

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VanishingVision · 16/05/2025 22:55

Hello! I was thinking of doing this post for a little while now as the previous posts doing this by the rather wonderful trans men here were really interesting but I didnt want to take up too much space here or take any attention away from much more important things here than what I have to say.

But I figured to just go for it before I have a big old break from the Internet for a while.

So like the title says, I'm a transwoman who accepts the SC ruling: ask me anything if you'd like to and I'll do my best to answer.

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Datun · 21/05/2025 00:10

I'm still young, in the grand scheme of things. I absolutely feel sure of myself and accepting by this point, but I also know that no future is certain. So maybe I'll come back with another answer for you Datun.

it's always good to keep an open mind!

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 23:37

I'm sceptical of someone suddenly deciding they're trans @RapidOnsetGenderCritic it suggests outside pressure and influence and not really any genuine dysphoria. It's a great shame and I can understand how you feel. All you can do is try and keep talking and getting him to see other points of views.

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 23:31

Perhaps accept is the wrong word. More it is what it is and I can't influence mine . Has yours started any medical treatment? If not there's always a chance he will come out of it. It sounds like he's had heavy influences which mine didn't really because it started before all this latest stuff that's been going on. I really hope he will see that it's not necessary to do this and I understand why you don't want to use pronouns etc especially if you feel his mind could be changed. I'm sorry, I know how difficult this can be.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/05/2025 22:53

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 21:51

Oh right, sorry for presuming then. Did this happen suddenly for you? Or were you not surprised? I can't say I was surprised but things happened very gradually really. Even so it does take quite a bit of getting used to. I do remember feeling at first that I had lost a daughter and finding it very hard. It wasn't a case of just immediately accepting and being ok with it. But as time has gone on it's got a lot easier. Do you feel like your son being autistic has had a lot to do with it? It's a big upheaval in life and difficult for a parent to adjust to. But I don't see any other option but to accept once they have made their decision if they are fully grown adults. My son is still the same person, lovely, kind, just with a different name.

I don't really know what you mean by "accept". I accept that he is wearing dresses; I do not accept that he is now a woman. Yes, from my perspective it was sudden, and being told about it was quite out of the blue. I am totally unconvinced that gender ideology is a healthy way to understand sex and gender, and his "coming out" appears to have led to some dysphoria rather than the other way round. I suspect the start was a wish to avoid societal expectations of males, and now that he's taken on some "feminine" stereotypes and chosen to model a female persona there is some cognitive dissonance as he must know that he is a man. However, that's mostly guesswork and some observation so I may be missing the mark.

He appears unable to articulate his thinking, which doesn't surprise me as he has always been a rationalist and a sceptic and he can't afford doubts about trans identity. I think my scepticism about gender identity ideology is the reason he is rejecting me (along with indoctrination from trans people and their allies in his social circle), and that he knows at some level that I have good reasons for scepticism. If he was secure in his trans thinking he would probably cope with my scepticism. We have disagreed on plenty of other matters without any accusations of bigotry.

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 21:51

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/05/2025 21:23

No, fairly similar age to yours.

Oh right, sorry for presuming then. Did this happen suddenly for you? Or were you not surprised? I can't say I was surprised but things happened very gradually really. Even so it does take quite a bit of getting used to. I do remember feeling at first that I had lost a daughter and finding it very hard. It wasn't a case of just immediately accepting and being ok with it. But as time has gone on it's got a lot easier. Do you feel like your son being autistic has had a lot to do with it? It's a big upheaval in life and difficult for a parent to adjust to. But I don't see any other option but to accept once they have made their decision if they are fully grown adults. My son is still the same person, lovely, kind, just with a different name.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/05/2025 21:23

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 12:07

I do understand your feelings, I really do. Is your autistic son young or a fair bit younger than mine at least? If so I can fully understand why you feel as you do. I absolutely don't agree with young people being transitioned or encouraged that way before they are fully adult enough to understand themselves and life. In my case my son ( daughter if you prefer) was a lot older and not autistic. Its not been made a big thing of and he doesn't mind if people call him his old name ( which I do sometimes!) but it seems petty not to use his pronouns etc at this point. I accept we are possibly coming at this from two different perspectives, mine as a parent of a fully grown adult, yours possibly as a parent of a younger person ( correct me if I'm wrong) If so I do understand your position on this. I can only speak of my own experiences which won't be the same as others.

No, fairly similar age to yours.

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 20:42

Datun · 20/05/2025 19:42

So, there's still no real definite 'this is why' at least in my conclusion.

Got it.

And thanks for the response.

Frankly, I have yet to see a transwoman on here who does have the answer. However much their experience might suggest something.

Maybe it's the human condition. The mistrust that something which feels so significant and overwhelming, could be generated by things that we consider quite inconsequential.

Either way, I hope you find answers, should you ever seek them.

I don't think it's inconsequential to suggest what has been pointed towards and I respect and appreciate it. Ultimately, you're presented with an adult who choose to medically transition, who says they have multiple instances of physical/sexual trauma and no real definite answer for dysphoria towards their male characteristics... you know, ignoring any fluffy ideological 'gendery' stuff that somebody more TRA inclined would focus on, I don't think it's wrong or unreasonable to question why I don't consider it to be a result of trauma or any of the other plausible reasonings. Absolutely sounds logical. I certainly don't consider anything you have to say unhelpful or rude at all. I don't think it's wrong or 'transphobic' to seek a definite answer to why this exists, leaving out any damage caused by gender ideology, simply because why would any man or woman wish to go against nature's coding in such a way?

In joining MN I didn't actually expect to leave my story open to scrutiny or interpretation or interact on the level I have so far (or receive the level of response) and so I might be an anomaly in appreciating the questioning here despite feeling as accepting of it at this point as I do after much of my own questioning and searching. Plus, I left myself open to it so I can hardly expect otherwise.

I'm still young, in the grand scheme of things. I absolutely feel sure of myself and accepting by this point, but I also know that no future is certain. So maybe I'll come back with another answer for you Datun.

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Datun · 20/05/2025 19:42

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 19:10

I agree, its also hard to be clear about it looking because we just don't have the ability to see back that far clearly plus adult development I think could likely overcomplicate thinking about childhood events too, you know making more of them than what they actually are. I do have some weirdly clear and vivid memories of certain events but it's not anything to do with this subject at all.

I've honestly given so much thought and searching to what could have caused it. Leaving out anything prior, from the moment of resonating with the experiences of a TW and actually transitioning was a long process and involved a lot of denial that I felt that way, trying to draw a line elsewhere, think of other reasons and I did seek other help before going after the 'gender' stuff. So it wasn't a snap thing.

I have considered it could be trauma (I do accept that I have alot of it), I did consider that I couldn't accept my same-sex attraction for a time, I also considered that it could be due to me being entirely raised by women and having zero positive male models. I also considered it could be environmental, a result of upbringing, something that happened in the womb or something to do with my weak and delayed puberty.

After chasing these things with drs/therapists etc, I don't have any answer in the end for having dysphoria and being trans other than 'it is what it is'. I don't think it's a result of trauma or the other things I mentioned nor did my drs and therapists (the theory about hormone exposure in utero and my weak/delayed puberty holds some sway for me but I'm not a Dr or remotely scientifically minded so I can't comment) but I do accept the possibility of those things and to yourself and others here it's likely more explained by my trauma. At this point, whilst I still pursue therapy for trauma etc I do accept 'it is what is' towards the dysphoria/trans stuff and that actually brings me some peace.

I guess what I would have to gain from 'rejecting manhood' is not experiencing the dysphoria that my male characteristics caused me, which in turn enabled me to build the life i have now.

So, there's still no real definite 'this is why' at least in my conclusion.

So, there's still no real definite 'this is why' at least in my conclusion.

Got it.

And thanks for the response.

Frankly, I have yet to see a transwoman on here who does have the answer. However much their experience might suggest something.

Maybe it's the human condition. The mistrust that something which feels so significant and overwhelming, could be generated by things that we consider quite inconsequential.

Either way, I hope you find answers, should you ever seek them.

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 19:18

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 20/05/2025 17:32

I don't really understand how he thought trans was easier than gay.

I guess there are a couple of factors. Gay sex (the idea of it!) is a bit scary. Men are a bit scary, even if you're attracted to them, especially before the full hormone rush kicks in. And identifying as "gay" sets up so many unspoken expectations around sex. So I can see why a boy who maybe doesn't have such an intense sexual drive might think "gay's not for me". "Trans" is less of a declaration about sexual desire.

I also think that's why trans been so promoted to kids in schools now. Everyone wants to do LGBTetc but gay comes down to sexual desire and sexual activity, which are very adult. You can't tell little kids much about being gay and when you try it comes across a bit pervy, like that kids' book "Grandad's Pride". You can't openly celebrate gay sexuality even for older kids - "Taxi zum Klo" is not suitable school viewing. Rainbows, that works. Men in glittery frocks, that works. But "trans" is not about sexual activity at all(*), you can make it all about how you look and dress and talk and who you play with and what games you play. It's dangerously easy to present "trans" to very young children, and very easy give them a distorted view.

(*) well apart from the fetishists but we're not going there with kids

@VanishingVision I'd love to respond more personally to some of the things you've said but it's not only my story so I can't say that much.

I'd love to respond more personally to some of the things you've said but it's not only my story so I can't say that much.

@MumOfYoungTransAdult Only just saw this other comment top, I would feel there's much you could do and I'd really interested. But I understand of course as it doesn't only involve yourself.

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VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 19:15

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 20/05/2025 17:40

I don't have solid evidnce but I do think there must be some kind of connection between physical activity (or lack of it) and body discomfort/dysphoria? I'm glad you enjoy dancing, not something I've done recently and I miss it! When you're enjoying what your body can do you worry less about what shape it is and how people perceive it. I think so anyway. And I think Covid lockdown was another big factor, stopping young people enjoying themselves physically.

(Yes that's Stella O'Malley in the video. I massively appreciate what Genspect is doing.)

You could be right, perhaps not directly influencing what 'made me trans' but you know it's a possibility maybe.
Oh absolutely, when your body isn't moving it affects your mind. Your mind has more places to go. I think lockdowns damaged an entire generation, quite honestly. I survived okay through them, but for young people in their formative years it must have been so damaging for them.

I do too, actually. I always like Stella's interviews, one of my favourites was the one she did with Corinna Cohn.

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VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 19:10

Datun · 20/05/2025 17:53

Thanks for your response.

Personally, I think it's sometimes hard to look back on a childhood using adult eyes. Because occasionally the smallest raised eyebrow, or a throw away comment can have a profound effect that we are not aware of at the time, and can't identify from a distance.

Even though we're convinced we do.

But personally, I've always viewed being trans, or wanting to be the opposite sex, as a symptom, not an end in itself (fetishism apart).

So my question would be, and I'm sorry if I may have missed you explaining, but what do you think is the reason for you wanting to be trans?

Where has the body dysphoria come from? What are you gaining by rejecting manhood? (I realise, that, certainly intellectually, you're not saying you're actually a woman).

Mostly, the characteristics of people wanting to be trans, include being on the spectrum, suffering from past sexual trauma, or being same-sex attracted.

Do you think there's something else?

I agree, its also hard to be clear about it looking because we just don't have the ability to see back that far clearly plus adult development I think could likely overcomplicate thinking about childhood events too, you know making more of them than what they actually are. I do have some weirdly clear and vivid memories of certain events but it's not anything to do with this subject at all.

I've honestly given so much thought and searching to what could have caused it. Leaving out anything prior, from the moment of resonating with the experiences of a TW and actually transitioning was a long process and involved a lot of denial that I felt that way, trying to draw a line elsewhere, think of other reasons and I did seek other help before going after the 'gender' stuff. So it wasn't a snap thing.

I have considered it could be trauma (I do accept that I have alot of it), I did consider that I couldn't accept my same-sex attraction for a time, I also considered that it could be due to me being entirely raised by women and having zero positive male models. I also considered it could be environmental, a result of upbringing, something that happened in the womb or something to do with my weak and delayed puberty.

After chasing these things with drs/therapists etc, I don't have any answer in the end for having dysphoria and being trans other than 'it is what it is'. I don't think it's a result of trauma or the other things I mentioned nor did my drs and therapists (the theory about hormone exposure in utero and my weak/delayed puberty holds some sway for me but I'm not a Dr or remotely scientifically minded so I can't comment) but I do accept the possibility of those things and to yourself and others here it's likely more explained by my trauma. At this point, whilst I still pursue therapy for trauma etc I do accept 'it is what is' towards the dysphoria/trans stuff and that actually brings me some peace.

I guess what I would have to gain from 'rejecting manhood' is not experiencing the dysphoria that my male characteristics caused me, which in turn enabled me to build the life i have now.

So, there's still no real definite 'this is why' at least in my conclusion.

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SheilaFentiman · 20/05/2025 17:57

This is a refreshing and interesting thread, thank you, OP.

Datun · 20/05/2025 17:53

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 17:06

Thankyou for this response I do really respect what you've had to say here (along with the others im trying to catch up). I do want to clear up a couple things that I thought I made clear in my post about my experiences.

I DON'T consider the thing about being upset my hair was cut (subsequently saying 'no one will think im a girl) and people thinking I was a girl having much traction or signs of GD and being a definite 'oh obvz I was meant to be female' thing, I was suprised to learn about it and I only did after I 'came out' and I don't have a recollection of it other than of having long hair. I mentioned it because it was the only young childhood thing I'm aware of regarding any 'gender' issues and I certainly wasn't treated like a girl because I was a boy.

Much like my experience of not fitting in with boys etc etc, i mention these things purely because I was talking about my experience. Being a feminine boy/masculine girl as a child doesn't make you trans, I've mentioned before elsewhere on this thread that i consider that way of thinking to be dangerous and I don't condone childhood transitioning, I do not wish I was transitioned as a child. I actually don't consider myself to have been that stereotypically feminine anyway.

I also don't have any intention to convince anyone here of anything at all (in case that wasn't clear) genuinely. I think this is something that many of us here just won't get to the bottom of be in agreement on but I do really appreciate the conversations being had here, others that stated my responses have been informative but I've found the responses of others very informative too when they've shared thoughts.

I do also still pursue therapy, and I do appreciate that this has been mentioned by several people here. It's also not a 'gender' therapist, it's primarily for trauma. There's alot to go on here.

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Thanks for your response.

Personally, I think it's sometimes hard to look back on a childhood using adult eyes. Because occasionally the smallest raised eyebrow, or a throw away comment can have a profound effect that we are not aware of at the time, and can't identify from a distance.

Even though we're convinced we do.

But personally, I've always viewed being trans, or wanting to be the opposite sex, as a symptom, not an end in itself (fetishism apart).

So my question would be, and I'm sorry if I may have missed you explaining, but what do you think is the reason for you wanting to be trans?

Where has the body dysphoria come from? What are you gaining by rejecting manhood? (I realise, that, certainly intellectually, you're not saying you're actually a woman).

Mostly, the characteristics of people wanting to be trans, include being on the spectrum, suffering from past sexual trauma, or being same-sex attracted.

Do you think there's something else?

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 20/05/2025 17:40

I don't have solid evidnce but I do think there must be some kind of connection between physical activity (or lack of it) and body discomfort/dysphoria? I'm glad you enjoy dancing, not something I've done recently and I miss it! When you're enjoying what your body can do you worry less about what shape it is and how people perceive it. I think so anyway. And I think Covid lockdown was another big factor, stopping young people enjoying themselves physically.

(Yes that's Stella O'Malley in the video. I massively appreciate what Genspect is doing.)

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 17:38

Hotbathcoldknees · 20/05/2025 15:49

@VanishingVision interesting - some of your experience mirrors my son's. I won't go into which ones - he thought he might be trans when he was around 13 years old - he thought being a girl and liking boys explained his feelings more than just being gay. I don't really understand how he thought trans was easier than gay. It was a heart stopping moment but I stayed cool, I encouraged him not to define himself at such an early age - adolescence can be very confusing - it's fine to like boys or girls and it's fine to be trans but don't allow yourself to be pigeon-holed at 13, to make choices that you struggle to back out of.

At 16 he decided he was gay and then maybe bi - he liked girls too, I encouraged him not to label himself - just live his life to the beat of his own drum.
He's in a long-term relationship now - he's confident but low-key in his sexuality - it doesn't define him - he doesn't tell people he's gay because he feels that it's not their business. Straight people don't announce their sexual preferences and he won't either - for him that's part of being equal.

Thankyou so much for sharing this with me. You sound like a really awesome and supportive mum, I hope he's doing well.

So to relate, I don't think my attraction to males lead to my being trans but I think it's interesting and worthwhile you bring up him 'being trans explained why he liked boys better than being gay' because I do think that happens in adolescence especially. There is still some stigma related to being gay/lesbian even now, its still considered this huge 'coming out' thing in some families so I can honestly see how some young gay/lesbian kids who are struggling to understand themselves could arrive at the trans thing first and not the gay thing.

I think your approach of 'you don't have to label anything, don't pigeon hole yourself just be you. It's okay where you end up just be you' is wonderful.

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 20/05/2025 17:32

I don't really understand how he thought trans was easier than gay.

I guess there are a couple of factors. Gay sex (the idea of it!) is a bit scary. Men are a bit scary, even if you're attracted to them, especially before the full hormone rush kicks in. And identifying as "gay" sets up so many unspoken expectations around sex. So I can see why a boy who maybe doesn't have such an intense sexual drive might think "gay's not for me". "Trans" is less of a declaration about sexual desire.

I also think that's why trans been so promoted to kids in schools now. Everyone wants to do LGBTetc but gay comes down to sexual desire and sexual activity, which are very adult. You can't tell little kids much about being gay and when you try it comes across a bit pervy, like that kids' book "Grandad's Pride". You can't openly celebrate gay sexuality even for older kids - "Taxi zum Klo" is not suitable school viewing. Rainbows, that works. Men in glittery frocks, that works. But "trans" is not about sexual activity at all(*), you can make it all about how you look and dress and talk and who you play with and what games you play. It's dangerously easy to present "trans" to very young children, and very easy give them a distorted view.

(*) well apart from the fetishists but we're not going there with kids

@VanishingVision I'd love to respond more personally to some of the things you've said but it's not only my story so I can't say that much.

VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 17:24

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 20/05/2025 11:48

That's very interesting about your development @VanishingVision

A lot to think about. There's a podcast (yes I listen to a lot of podcasts!) interview with a young man who had a serious development delay so he had to take male hormones to progress through puberty, and he did it later and faster than would have happened naturally. He talks about how the delay affected him and how things changed once he started the hormones, and how not going through a natural puberty at the usual time can affect people.

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(This is from the recent "Beyond Gender" series which I mostly don't find as interesting as the older "Gender a Wider Lens" series, but this episode is very powerful.)

I have another question if you don't mind: what's your relationship to physical acitivity? Do you do any sports, or exercise, or dance? And do you take part in any of these activities with other people?

This looks really interesting I'll definitely give this a watch when I'm able to as I think from the thumbnail thats Stella from Genspect? I always enjoy listening to her perspectives, I'm at a friend's atm so I'll watch this when I'm able!

It's something I've thought about before, did my late and weaker puberty in anyway impacted things?

No that's fine! I wasn't especially active as a young person I was quite quiet and just liked art and the moment I got really obsessed with music at 12 I wasn't really interested in anything else but I am really active as an adult, I love exercise. I really like dancing at concerts and when going out. I like swimming. I'm not into sports though, I'm not competitive and never have been. I do like dancing and exercise with other people but I'm also quite content to be solo much like any activities.

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VanishingVision · 20/05/2025 17:06

Datun · 20/05/2025 13:06

I have to say, vanishing, I don't think many people would read your posts, and not immediately understand why you don't identify as being a man.

From being 'treated as a girl' because of the long hair as a child (which presumably felt more much more pleasant than being 'treated as a boy') to being a somewhat feminine same sex attracted teenager who couldn't identify with the lad culture at school and being picked on because of it.

Not to mention the violent and chaotic childhood with no boundaries.

And then going on the Internet and soaking up everything that could account for it.

On the basis of that, it sounds fairly logical.

For many feminists, me included, it's not so much that identifying as the opposite that isn't frequently understandable, it's that it's not just papering over the cracks, it's actively shoring up the issues that they are opposed to in the first place.

Things like treating girls and boys entirely differently, and the sexism behind it, rampant homophobia, for both sexes, again due to sexism, etc.

it's no coincidence at the term TERF contains the words radical feminist. Feminists were the first people to notice what was going on, because they can sniff out sexism from space.

And, of course, the final nail in the coffin is that not only is the entire concept due to sexism, the solution is to leverage sexism to provide the answer!

Using the very concept of womanhood and their spaces as the therapy required for 'authenticity'.

You can see why it grates...

However, this sort of thread is very useful. Your agenda does not appear to be, first and foremost, to get women to do what you want. And the fact you don't use women spaces will definitely win you some support.

But you can see, I'm sure, why the entire concept of transgenderism is something that a lot of women disagree with, irrespective of how pleasant the person is who demonstrates it.

For what it's worth, I agree with the previous poster who said ongoing therapy is probably a very good idea.

Thankyou for this response I do really respect what you've had to say here (along with the others im trying to catch up). I do want to clear up a couple things that I thought I made clear in my post about my experiences.

I DON'T consider the thing about being upset my hair was cut (subsequently saying 'no one will think im a girl) and people thinking I was a girl having much traction or signs of GD and being a definite 'oh obvz I was meant to be female' thing, I was suprised to learn about it and I only did after I 'came out' and I don't have a recollection of it other than of having long hair. I mentioned it because it was the only young childhood thing I'm aware of regarding any 'gender' issues and I certainly wasn't treated like a girl because I was a boy.

Much like my experience of not fitting in with boys etc etc, i mention these things purely because I was talking about my experience. Being a feminine boy/masculine girl as a child doesn't make you trans, I've mentioned before elsewhere on this thread that i consider that way of thinking to be dangerous and I don't condone childhood transitioning, I do not wish I was transitioned as a child. I actually don't consider myself to have been that stereotypically feminine anyway.

I also don't have any intention to convince anyone here of anything at all (in case that wasn't clear) genuinely. I think this is something that many of us here just won't get to the bottom of be in agreement on but I do really appreciate the conversations being had here, others that stated my responses have been informative but I've found the responses of others very informative too when they've shared thoughts.

I do also still pursue therapy, and I do appreciate that this has been mentioned by several people here. It's also not a 'gender' therapist, it's primarily for trauma. There's alot to go on here.

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Hotbathcoldknees · 20/05/2025 15:49

@VanishingVision interesting - some of your experience mirrors my son's. I won't go into which ones - he thought he might be trans when he was around 13 years old - he thought being a girl and liking boys explained his feelings more than just being gay. I don't really understand how he thought trans was easier than gay. It was a heart stopping moment but I stayed cool, I encouraged him not to define himself at such an early age - adolescence can be very confusing - it's fine to like boys or girls and it's fine to be trans but don't allow yourself to be pigeon-holed at 13, to make choices that you struggle to back out of.

At 16 he decided he was gay and then maybe bi - he liked girls too, I encouraged him not to label himself - just live his life to the beat of his own drum.
He's in a long-term relationship now - he's confident but low-key in his sexuality - it doesn't define him - he doesn't tell people he's gay because he feels that it's not their business. Straight people don't announce their sexual preferences and he won't either - for him that's part of being equal.

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 14:06

Helleofabore · 20/05/2025 13:49

Looking back, I know I ‘fought back’ by behaving as if I was a boy.

I did too which is why I left my son to get on with it. It wasn't until much later when he was a lot older that he transitioned, so completely out of my control. If he had wanted to do it as a child or young adult whilst living with me I wouldn't have gone along with it. So I do understand the worries and I think anger probably isn't too strong a word that parents of kids now feel at their children being pushed along this path.

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 13:58

Datun · 20/05/2025 13:57

IKR!

It's as annoying now as it was then.

I just had visions of him wafting around in purple chiffon, vibranting himself everywhere. You know, like all women

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🤣🤣

Datun · 20/05/2025 13:57

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 13:52

Lol 🤣 had to laugh at that. I'm a woman, unfortunately I'm not feeling too vibrant at the moment!

IKR!

It's as annoying now as it was then.

I just had visions of him wafting around in purple chiffon, vibranting himself everywhere. You know, like all women

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 13:52

Datun · 20/05/2025 13:35

No, but taken to its logical conclusion , sometimes to escape it they identify as the opposite sex, or as non-binary.

edited to add, thereby just cementing in the gender stereotypes.

For instance, a girl identifying as a boy, because she doesn't like wearing dresses, because only girls wear dresses.

We had a transwoman on here, a very long time ago, one of the first, if I remember correctly, who said he loved identify women because he could be more 'vibrant'.

Edited

Lol 🤣 had to laugh at that. I'm a woman, unfortunately I'm not feeling too vibrant at the moment!

Helleofabore · 20/05/2025 13:49

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 13:25

Sometimes the child themselves fights against being treated in a sexist way.

Looking back, I know I ‘fought back’ by behaving as if I was a boy.

LoudlyMeowingCat · 20/05/2025 13:47

Helleofabore · 20/05/2025 13:38

I noticed with my own teen, that the messaging was in no way coming from us as parents. The messaging that they must be the opposite sex came from interaction with peers at school and through media. Judging themselves against sexist stereotypes, again not displayed or reinforced by us at all.

Sadly, it happens despite us sometimes. And that messaging is very hard to counter. We live in a sexist society even though we may feel we have significant freedom.

I agree, times are different now to when my son was a teen. There would have been the opposite social pressure if he had made known he felt trans then.