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Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action

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OhBuggerandArse · 16/05/2025 15:30

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-)

https://goodlawproject.org/were-bringing-a-legal-challenge-to-the-ehrcs-interim-update

https://goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Letter-to-the-Equality-and-Human-Rights-Commission-16-May-2025_Redacted.pdf

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/05/2025 10:07

From the telegraph article:

Jolyon Maugham, Good Law Project founder, said: “The stark and needlessly cruel position adopted by the Government and the EHRC humiliates trans people by forcing them to use the wrong toilets and obliges them to reveal deeply personal information about their gender to complete strangers just to take a wee.

Oh Jolyon, everyone knows what sex people are.

and as for their strategy of fielding a person they refer to as ‘interesex’ and asking what toilets they should use….man alive

SinnerBoy · 18/05/2025 10:03

WorriedMutha · Today 09:56

Love the letter before claim as per the Telegraph article. To summarise 'Bridget Philipson breaks law by stating law'.

I know, try twisting your biscuit round that one. His claim is utterly illogical.

TheOtherRaven · 18/05/2025 09:56

Kinsters · 18/05/2025 09:47

@SionnachRuadh I think the ire will only turn on Jolyon when he gives up. As long as he keeps trying they'll keep believing that it's him against the transpohobic world and the accumulated losses are due to biases beyond his control.

And I don't honestly think there's anything anyone could do to help with that.

WorriedMutha · 18/05/2025 09:56

Love the letter before claim as per the Telegraph article. To summarise 'Bridget Philipson breaks law by stating law'.

WorriedMutha · 18/05/2025 09:52

@KnottyAuty I really like his engaging with the pig analogy. Except I think we are the pig enjoying the shit now. They wanted no debate which left no avenue other than a steady drip of legal cases. Now they are complaining they weren't consulted. How do you consult with the movement that modelled itself as an immovable object and an irresistible force. Now that they are forced to engage, we are the all powerful pig.

KnottyAuty · 18/05/2025 09:48

Letter reported in the Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/acdb4ba5fbfc3a0d

Kinsters · 18/05/2025 09:47

@SionnachRuadh I think the ire will only turn on Jolyon when he gives up. As long as he keeps trying they'll keep believing that it's him against the transpohobic world and the accumulated losses are due to biases beyond his control.

eatfigs · 18/05/2025 09:43

I liked how even his own video of the projection stunt showed people just walking past uninterested. Great impact there, Jolyon.

RareGoalsVerge · 18/05/2025 09:26

CautiousLurker01 · 17/05/2025 23:52

Bugger predictive text… that should have read ‘adult human female’… 🤦🏽‍♀️

I might quite like an Adult Human Email tshirt.

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SionnachRuadh · 18/05/2025 09:21

WorriedMutha · 18/05/2025 08:17

I thought there were strict rules about legal crowd funding. There doesn't appear to be any clarity about the means and basis for a legal challenge and the GLP seem to be playing fast and loose with the regulations. I'm surprised this hasn't been raised. Are legal funds being used for a projection protest.
Not that I want to stop the protest as I think they are doing sterling work for us. I'm sure most people will just look and think wtf.

He has got into the habit of starting the crowdfunder immediately after he's sent the letter before action, so we can see his side of the story but we don't see a reply from the respondent saying "Dear Jolyon, thank you for your letter of 23rd ult., we have examined your complaint and for XYZ reasons we find it to be a load of bollocks."

I don't suppose that breaches any rules, but it feels like sharp practice.

But he's brought in the big bucks with his nonspecific Trans Rights Fighting Fund, which doesn't have a respondent or litigation strategy attached. His projection stunt looks like literally spaffing money up the wall, but I suppose he feels that if he stages stunts demonstrating his allyship, the trans community will be happy with that.

Maybe he's right, but the trans community do have a habit of demanding the moon and getting very angry when they don't get it. If Jolyon leads them to believe he's going to overturn the SC ruling, they'll expect him to do it.

SinnerBoy · 18/05/2025 09:03

As cases of witness intimidation go, it's a poor effort. They lost the case a month back.

CarefulN0w · 18/05/2025 08:37

JanesLittleGirl · 17/05/2025 22:43

I'm just buying popcorn futures. Gonna make a huge profit when JoMo finally brings a case to court.

Hmmm. You might have a long wait.

KnottyAuty · 18/05/2025 08:21

Sorry if this has been posted before. Here’s a link to a podcast where Joylon is interviewed (last year) “turning pain into purpose” although doesn’t talk widely about his work on trans rights
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/do-one-better-with-alberto-lidji-in-philanthropy/id1458730778?i=1000663640426

Curious quote from the very end:
“Never wrestle with a pig because you both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it. And in the work that I do, which is fundamentally about speaking for those outside power to those inside power, I find it useful to ask yourself the question, who is the pig? Who is it who's going to enjoy the both of you getting covered in shit when you have a fight?

If you're challenging power and you can force power to engage with you, then you are the pig. You are enjoying the fight and they are not enjoying it. You are forcing them to engage.

You are forcing power to do what it does not want to do, which is to breathe into your lungs the air of saliency. So that would be my key, Alberto, my key takeaway. Ask yourself, who is the pig?”

Jo Maugham KC, Founder and Director of the Good Law Project: leveraging the law to change the world

Jo Maugham KC, Founder and Director of the Good Law Project: leveraging the law to change the world

Podcast Episode · Do One Better with Alberto Lidji in Philanthropy, Sustainability and Social Entrepreneurship · 29/07/2024 · 38m

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/jo-maugham-kc-founder-and-director-of-the-good/id1458730778?i=1000663640426

WorriedMutha · 18/05/2025 08:17

I thought there were strict rules about legal crowd funding. There doesn't appear to be any clarity about the means and basis for a legal challenge and the GLP seem to be playing fast and loose with the regulations. I'm surprised this hasn't been raised. Are legal funds being used for a projection protest.
Not that I want to stop the protest as I think they are doing sterling work for us. I'm sure most people will just look and think wtf.

NecessaryScene · 18/05/2025 08:12

Possibly GLP are drumming up support as much as possible before it becomes clear their legal challenge is meaningless.

Can anything be said to be truly meaningless?

Sometimes it's all about the friends you make along the way.

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fromorbit · 18/05/2025 08:00

Interesting choice of people for GLP's projection.

Munroe Bergdorf, Nadia Almada, India Willoughby and Victoria McCloud.

Bergdorf and Willoughby are pretty awful people with a bunch of prejudices who are very polarising. It is like deciding to head a campaign to say sex is real with someone like Trump.

I have been keeping an eye on the GLP's fundraiser and despite all the publicity in the last few days it has slowed down considerably.

April 25th launched

May 6th - 361,869
May 16th - 387,292
May 18th - 393,560

Possibly GLP are drumming up support as much as possible before it becomes clear their legal challenge is meaningless.

Mmmnotsure · 18/05/2025 00:03

CautiousLurker01 · 17/05/2025 23:52

Bugger predictive text… that should have read ‘adult human female’… 🤦🏽‍♀️

Adult human email😄

CautiousLurker01 · 17/05/2025 23:52

CautiousLurker01 · 17/05/2025 23:44

Depending on when it is, I might join you. Soon to be freed of children, so may don the adult human email teeshirt and start pitching up.keep thinking I will one day go to the LWS event in London too

Bugger predictive text… that should have read ‘adult human female’… 🤦🏽‍♀️

CautiousLurker01 · 17/05/2025 23:44

SionnachRuadh · 16/05/2025 19:26

As a Vulpes vulpes, I am sorely tempted to take the day off work and go along to court to observe the result.

I may have some useful first aid skills in case Jolyon is in danger of harrumphing himself to death.

Depending on when it is, I might join you. Soon to be freed of children, so may don the adult human email teeshirt and start pitching up.keep thinking I will one day go to the LWS event in London too

SinnerBoy · 17/05/2025 23:01

DrudgeJedd · Today 17:37

He's spent most of today on bluesky shroud-waving about child suicide, he took a small break earlier to libel one of the SC judges.
Does he have no normal friends left now?

The wisest idiot in a room full of idiots is still an idiot.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/05/2025 22:43

I'm just buying popcorn futures. Gonna make a huge profit when JoMo finally brings a case to court.

loveyouradvice · 17/05/2025 21:33

Congrats @Bannedontherun - this is really powerful and important....Well done

Bannedontherun · 17/05/2025 20:25

I have just reported him to the Bar, for bringing the profession in to disrepute and profiteering from his fundraising activities, preying on vulnerable and gullible people with spurious legal arguments based on his title as a KC. And failing as a legal body to foster good relations between protected groups as is his duty under the EQA.

Let’s see where it goes.

NecessaryScene · 17/05/2025 20:05

I would dearly love to see him taken down a peg.

But that would merely demonstrate how corrupt the system is, and how much they regard him as a twat threat.

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