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Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action

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OhBuggerandArse · 16/05/2025 15:30

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-)

https://goodlawproject.org/were-bringing-a-legal-challenge-to-the-ehrcs-interim-update

https://goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Letter-to-the-Equality-and-Human-Rights-Commission-16-May-2025_Redacted.pdf

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SionnachRuadh · 21/05/2025 21:17

teawamutu · 21/05/2025 21:04

It's a good point, because after half a century as a female I could count the times I've heard of it happening on the fingers of one hand.

We never challenged all the obvious men but now we're challenging women with short hair?

Boolsheeet.

It's clearly bollocks, overwhelmingly retailed by men.

I say this often, but in all my years on the planet I've known precisely one transwoman who passed well. Not perfectly, but well enough that, if you weren't looking for signs that they were trans, you'd read them as a tallish woman with a husky voice. These days, of course, we'd be more alert to the signs.

Every other transwoman I've known - and it gives me no pleasure to say this, I'm including a few friends here - it sticks out a mile. Women haven't noticed them and women haven't challenged them are not the same thing, and TRAs seem incapable of recognising the difference. Or maybe they do know the difference but won't admit it.

Women with short hair being accosted in the loo is not a thing. Lots of men seem very invested in the idea though.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/05/2025 21:09

As a woman with a boyish figure and short hair, and hanging out in male company - I’d often get ‘drink up lads’ but nobody ever challenged me going to the ladies.

KnottyAuty · 21/05/2025 21:09

@teawamutu
We never challenged all the obvious men but now we're challenging women with short hair?
Yes this ^^

Boolsheeet.
Sorry I have nabbed this as a shiny new username for some future thread. Love it!

teawamutu · 21/05/2025 21:04

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/05/2025 20:02

It's so weird how all the TRAs seem to know women who get challenged about their sex.

Was this always a problem or just something that started the day the SC said something they didn't want to hear?

And if it was always a problem, why are they only mentioning it now?

It's a good point, because after half a century as a female I could count the times I've heard of it happening on the fingers of one hand.

We never challenged all the obvious men but now we're challenging women with short hair?

Boolsheeet.

WhereAreWeNow · 21/05/2025 21:03

Sunshineonbluebells · 21/05/2025 19:37

Latest tweet from JM top tweet was from him as well, he's replying to himself but it got cut off in my image.

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There's no way this actually happened. Who on earth would challenge a woman who'd had a mastectomy? Why?! It makes zero sense.

SionnachRuadh · 21/05/2025 20:57

Well, yeah. Even if Jolyon wants to affirm his daughters' identities, surely he wants them to be safe.

And no parent should be leaving that up to the girls, because teenage girls don't know shit, even if they think they know everything.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/05/2025 20:54

I’m still wondering why Maugham is supporting this ideology which encourages his teenage daughters to use the same men’s facilities that grown males identifying as women are supposedly too scared to use.

SionnachRuadh · 21/05/2025 20:41

Remember those "woke 8 year old" tweets from a few years ago?

When parents were sharing obviously made up stories of their small children saying things like "Mum, why does Nigel Farage have such an obtuse position on fishing quotas?"

Getting a very similar vibe from Jolyon's anecdotes.

Sunshineonbluebells · 21/05/2025 20:30

BackToLurk · 21/05/2025 20:05

Ill have Things That Didn’t Happen for £100 please

Me also

Nameychangington · 21/05/2025 20:10

Sunshineonbluebells · 21/05/2025 19:37

Latest tweet from JM top tweet was from him as well, he's replying to himself but it got cut off in my image.

Edited

The transpeople who have mastectomies are transmen, why would anyone think a woman with a double mastectomy was a transwoman?

Jolyon really is losing it. It's like the pony he promised to his daughters not only wouldn't be ridden, it laughed and told him to fuck off.

BackToLurk · 21/05/2025 20:05

Sunshineonbluebells · 21/05/2025 19:37

Latest tweet from JM top tweet was from him as well, he's replying to himself but it got cut off in my image.

Edited

Ill have Things That Didn’t Happen for £100 please

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/05/2025 20:02

It's so weird how all the TRAs seem to know women who get challenged about their sex.

Was this always a problem or just something that started the day the SC said something they didn't want to hear?

And if it was always a problem, why are they only mentioning it now?

SionnachRuadh · 21/05/2025 19:59

One of the most bonkers things I've heard from a trans ally* recently is the idea that Alice Sullivan is going to be leading the toilet militia to eject TW from the ladies.

And I'm like, dude, you've met Alice Sullivan. She's five foot nothing. If you think she's going around putting deathly fear into big burly transwomen, you really are orbiting another planet.

*Not Jolyon, but someone in a similar space. This is the kind of discourse that's going around.

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/05/2025 19:43

Whereas there are millions in this country who would benefit from the extra safety of the correct single sex toilet design.

ApocalipstickNow · 21/05/2025 19:41

“Thousands”.

Sunshineonbluebells · 21/05/2025 19:37

Latest tweet from JM top tweet was from him as well, he's replying to himself but it got cut off in my image.

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action
SionnachRuadh · 21/05/2025 18:51

I mean if I were the EHRC or Bridget Phillipson I would simply have referred Jolyon to the reply in Arkell v Pressdram.

DialSquare · 21/05/2025 18:21

I would love James Dreyfus to do a piss take of that video!

SerendipityJane · 21/05/2025 18:18

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/05/2025 18:05

Nurse, the blinking mad man is out of bed and on his phone again!

twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1925081753279991952

Be fox seasons soon.

Any fans of TRIH ? Who had a slight smile on hearing of fox tossing Augustus the Strong ?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/05/2025 18:05

Nurse, the blinking mad man is out of bed and on his phone again!

twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1925081753279991952

SerendipityJane · 21/05/2025 17:00

WallaceinAnderland · 21/05/2025 16:57

TRAs are actually calling on transmen who 'pass' to go into female spaces to intimidate women. Up until the SC ruling, transmen weren't even on the TRAs radar. They never even mentioned them. Now, they are insisting that transmen do their dirty work for them. Just when you think they've scraped the barrel, they overreach once more.

Calling for a program of law breaking intended to intimidate people in pursuit of an ideology ?

Could one of our esteemed legal commentators explain to this little brained bear how this isn't terrorism ?

WallaceinAnderland · 21/05/2025 16:57

TRAs are actually calling on transmen who 'pass' to go into female spaces to intimidate women. Up until the SC ruling, transmen weren't even on the TRAs radar. They never even mentioned them. Now, they are insisting that transmen do their dirty work for them. Just when you think they've scraped the barrel, they overreach once more.

TheOtherRaven · 21/05/2025 16:28

lcakethereforeIam · 21/05/2025 14:58

The transman, post op., would have scars where her breasts were sliced off. Might be missing one or both nipples. Will have a massive scar on her arm, leg, buttock or stomach where the skin was removed to roll up into something that vaguely resembled a penis. This 'penis' would not be erect unless the tm wanted it to be. She'd have to manually inflate it.

I'm astonished. He's either flat out lying for an easily disprovable gotcha. I hope it's this. Or he's genuinely ignorant. He has a daughter who claims to be a boy. This could be her future. He should know this.

Exactly this.

Does he really think his daughters would be indistinguishable from a man when they grow up? Or that women would play these abusive and deceitful games on other women without conscience?

LarkLaneAgain · 21/05/2025 15:59

Is this a sexual fantasy of his?
It sounds like some kind of dodgy role play.

CassOle · 21/05/2025 15:42

Is there any barrel left to scrape anymore? I have a feeling that JM might have scraped it into oblivion with that one.