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Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action

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OhBuggerandArse · 16/05/2025 15:30

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-)

https://goodlawproject.org/were-bringing-a-legal-challenge-to-the-ehrcs-interim-update

https://goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Letter-to-the-Equality-and-Human-Rights-Commission-16-May-2025_Redacted.pdf

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/05/2025 14:33

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 14:30

I assume the Good Law Project would have had the same opportunity to intervene?

Of course - ironic isn't i?. Presumably Jollyon was so busy talking with his favoured shit hot lawyers who'd told him FWS had no change of winning, he decided there wouldn't be an issue.

FAFO innit. 😁

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 14:32

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/05/2025 13:33

They are such utter fuckwits!! The amnesty lawyer was trans and the supreme court is not a fucking school debating society

The amnesty lawyer was the wrong kind of trans.

Born female.

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 14:30

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/05/2025 13:41

As I understand it, 2 individual trans people were denied the right to tell their personal stories - it's the Supreme Court not a consciousness raising session. But for some reason not a single trans lobby group (and god knows, there's enough of them) chose to apply to be interveners. Unlike the LGBA, Amnesty International, the Lesbian Project ..

Somehow this is the SC's fault?

I assume the Good Law Project would have had the same opportunity to intervene?

TheOtherRaven · 17/05/2025 14:29

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/05/2025 13:41

As I understand it, 2 individual trans people were denied the right to tell their personal stories - it's the Supreme Court not a consciousness raising session. But for some reason not a single trans lobby group (and god knows, there's enough of them) chose to apply to be interveners. Unlike the LGBA, Amnesty International, the Lesbian Project ..

Somehow this is the SC's fault?

Interveners also not allowed unless they're going to add something not yet mentioned or not heard before.

It's been repeatedly explained, over and over. It doesn't go in, they identify as it being true and that a few sad anecdotes would have meant the judges embraced destroying women's, lesbian and gay and trans identified women's rights for them.

Its like the inquiry into the Green Party safeguarding disaster where they had to say: there is not the capacity to understand the situation, how it works or anything beyond their own perspective. Also see the relationships board and Issendai's 'Missing missing reasons' - it isn't lack of information or explanation, it's an inability to take on board that information.

https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html

"Many members truly can't remember what their children said. Anything tinged with negative emotion, anything that makes them feel bad about themselves, shocks them so deeply that they block it out....This emotional amnesia shapes their entire lives, pushing them to associate only with people who won't criticize them, training their families to shelter them from blows so thoroughly that the softest protest feels like a fist to the face."

SabrinaThwaite · 17/05/2025 14:22

Another2Cats · 16/05/2025 16:19

Their letter starts off with a whole load of waffle about the history of trans rights cases.

Then, by the time you get to page 16, it gets on to the main issue.

The GLP point out that the interim guidance says

"In workplaces, it is compulsory to provide sufficient single-sex toilets, as well as sufficient single-sex changing and washing facilities where these facilities are needed."

But the Workplace Regulations 1992 say

"separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside."

Or, in other words, separate self contained toilets used by one person at a time are a suitable alternative to single sex toilets.

They seem to think that this is a huge "gotcha".

But they do go on to say that since this is done under the Workplace Regs and not the Equality Act then the FWS case has no effect when it comes to toilets in the workplace.

As a result, they say, it is necessary to look to the GRA 2004 and that people with a GRC should still be able to use toilets of the opposite sex in a workplace.

They then go on to explain some way in which service providers could also allow trans people into public toilets of the opposite sex if they wished to.

I have no idea how the Equality Act might interact with the Workplace Regs (or if the two even do interact) but this is the argument that GLP are putting forward.
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The second ground of their claim is that since they believe that the interim advice is wrong that issuing it has been a breach of the Human Rights Act and so should be withdrawn.
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The third ground is that if the interim guidance is correct then the law is incompatible with the Human Rights Act.
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Oh, and by the way, they also want:

"The Commission is requested to withdraw its Interim Update immediately and to state publicly that the Interim Update is of no effect and its advice should not be followed."
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How strong a case or otherwise this is, I have no idea. But this is their latest move.

Edited

I’m not sure what GLP are arguing here - the EHRC Interim Guidance says that men’s and women’s facilities in the workplace must be single sex, unless they meet the requirements to be unisex? Which reflects Section 20 of the Workplace Regs.

It sounds like they are going for the definition of sex to only apply to the EqA 2010 and not to any other legislation which also uses the terms ‘men’ ‘women’ and ‘sex’ (although the Sex Discrimination Act must surely recognise sex not gender?).

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/05/2025 13:57

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 13:28

GLP bluesky video
Jolyon & co are projecting massive transwomen onto the front of the Supreme Court.
Brace yourself before clicking the link 😁

Oh my goodness me, I am lost for words.

MarieDeGournay · 17/05/2025 13:42

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 17/05/2025 13:31

Precisely this. What a lot of sound and fury. Why aren't they fundraising and campaigning for, say, awareness-raising about how gender-non-conforming men in men's spaces shouldn't be subjected to violence or ridicule? I mean, I might even support that.

Is now the time for a 'transwomen welcome here' stickering campaign on men's spaces?

Absolutely! and that's one TRA-related campaign I wouldn't mind helping withWink

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/05/2025 13:41

As I understand it, 2 individual trans people were denied the right to tell their personal stories - it's the Supreme Court not a consciousness raising session. But for some reason not a single trans lobby group (and god knows, there's enough of them) chose to apply to be interveners. Unlike the LGBA, Amnesty International, the Lesbian Project ..

Somehow this is the SC's fault?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/05/2025 13:33

Literal LOL.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 17/05/2025 13:33

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 13:28

GLP bluesky video
Jolyon & co are projecting massive transwomen onto the front of the Supreme Court.
Brace yourself before clicking the link 😁

They are such utter fuckwits!! The amnesty lawyer was trans and the supreme court is not a fucking school debating society

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 17/05/2025 13:32

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 13:28

GLP bluesky video
Jolyon & co are projecting massive transwomen onto the front of the Supreme Court.
Brace yourself before clicking the link 😁

Good to know the donations are being spent wisely

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 17/05/2025 13:31

Precisely this. What a lot of sound and fury. Why aren't they fundraising and campaigning for, say, awareness-raising about how gender-non-conforming men in men's spaces shouldn't be subjected to violence or ridicule? I mean, I might even support that.

Is now the time for a 'transwomen welcome here' stickering campaign on men's spaces?

WorriedMutha · 17/05/2025 13:21

I first came across JM in the aftermath of the Brexit vote when he pitched his tent on the remain lawn. He seemed like the voice of reason to me as an avowed remainer. I'm now questioning my reality when Kemi, Reform and Trump sound like the grown ups in the room. I think this is the danger of living in our bubbles and in a multimedia environment where we shop for our preferred views, it's easy to see how we have become such a polarised society.

DrUptonsGardenGnome · 17/05/2025 12:57

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/05/2025 12:24

They got her medication at 13?! JFC no wonder he’s behaving like he is, imagine having to justify doing that to your child? Helen Joyce is bang on as always, he can’t row back from this now, how could he possibly admit what he’s done?

For a while the eldest had a Twitter account documenting the impact of testosterone on her voice. Was also allowed to participate in the boys’ category of her sport (plenty of evidence online).

With everyone indulging Maugham Jr to that extent, it’s no wonder she has a particular view of reality. Presumably Mrs Maugham wholly committed to this path as well?

SerafinasGoose · 17/05/2025 12:45

LittleBitofBread · 16/05/2025 18:04

Precisely this. What a lot of sound and fury. Why aren't they fundraising and campaigning for, say, awareness-raising about how gender-non-conforming men in men's spaces shouldn't be subjected to violence or ridicule? I mean, I might even support that.

I would have - once.

Now they can fight their own battles. Given their oppressive attitudes to women over the past decade it's not as though they haven't shown they are amply capable.

I would now categorise this under what a friend of mine delightfully calls 'another fucker's shit'.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/05/2025 12:27

SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 12:24

Well, you have to wonder.

These people are sick.

SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 12:24

Well, you have to wonder.

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action
LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/05/2025 12:24

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 09:53

Guardian article
Here's that Guardian article from last year, puberty blockers obtained from abroad and testosterone bought privately...
He's absolutely one of Helen Joyce's "last Japanese soldiers"

They got her medication at 13?! JFC no wonder he’s behaving like he is, imagine having to justify doing that to your child? Helen Joyce is bang on as always, he can’t row back from this now, how could he possibly admit what he’s done?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/05/2025 12:17

DrudgeJedd · 17/05/2025 09:09

Labour Pains blog link
This blog by Richard Dunstan gives a fairly comprehensive lowdown on how and why JoMo got himself into this mess. It includes links to the interview with the elder daughter (Grin) saying her sister is also trans, Grin was also included in a Guardian article about children who have been given puberty blockers & hormones. I'll see if I can find it.
I'm not surprised he looks unhinged in that video, he's got himself in a proper Chinese finger trap. He's never publicly acknowledged his personal reasons for his crusade and is careful to never directly link the GLP to his daughter's campaign group, but as more people become aware of it he's looking even less credible. He still gets positive interaction on bluesky & insta but every trans related post on twitter is thoroughly mocked. No serious people want to be publicly associated with this grifting nonsense.

Thanks for this, if you click through and read the piece by JM’s daughter ‘Grin’ it’s absolutely hysterical nonsense, clearly written by someone who has a very tenuous sense of reality, how can JM not see what he’s encouraging in this child? It’s an absolute dereliction of his duty as a parent, it’s completely unacceptable.

SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 10:13

TheOtherRaven · 17/05/2025 09:45

That. ^^ I suspect it may have to eventually be faced that there is no court proceedings or judgment that can be understood or accepted by this political movement. It is beginning to look like a capacity issue rather than an insufficiently explained or proved issue.

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I'm sure we'll get there eventually, but it is a bit like trying to explain to a toddler that Darth Vader isn't real.

TheOtherRaven · 17/05/2025 09:45

ArabellaScott · 17/05/2025 08:19

Yes, except it wastes our time and money, too.

Given the cost of living crisis, food banks, the NHS struggling, etc, quite a lot of taxpayers may be understandably pissed off at the time wasting eejits.

And if I were in the legal sphere, I'd be losing patience with someone making the profession look so absurd and pointless.

That. ^^ I suspect it may have to eventually be faced that there is no court proceedings or judgment that can be understood or accepted by this political movement. It is beginning to look like a capacity issue rather than an insufficiently explained or proved issue.

SionnachRuadh · 17/05/2025 09:41

If we didn't know Jolyon had skin in the game, I'd speculate he was losing all these cases as part of a complex tax avoidance strategy.

Of course the two things don't contradict each other. Maybe we should ask Gary Barlow.

DrUptonsGardenGnome · 17/05/2025 09:38

I cannot imagine what it must be like to work at the GLP. I would have gone off sick from the whiplash induced by having to shift so often from one cause to the next.