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Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action

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OhBuggerandArse · 16/05/2025 15:30

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-)

https://goodlawproject.org/were-bringing-a-legal-challenge-to-the-ehrcs-interim-update

https://goodlawproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Letter-to-the-Equality-and-Human-Rights-Commission-16-May-2025_Redacted.pdf

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/05/2025 18:06

I would love to see The History Man again. So prophetic.

moto748e · 23/05/2025 12:29

I wish the BBC would show that again. That, and The History Man.

moto748e · 23/05/2025 11:37

SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 09:51

Am now flashing back to that old Viz cartoon of Neville Chamberlain on the toilet. "I have in my hand a piece of paper..."

Can actually imagine Jolyon declaiming like that.

Or Neville Chamberlaine as filtered by Harry Perkins!

(the late, great, Ray McAnally)

AelitaQueenofMars · 23/05/2025 11:34

teawamutu · 21/05/2025 21:04

It's a good point, because after half a century as a female I could count the times I've heard of it happening on the fingers of one hand.

We never challenged all the obvious men but now we're challenging women with short hair?

Boolsheeet.

It’s a curious one isn’t it? It’s suddenly a useful, however spurious, line of argument for them.

Incidentally, I’ve been subject to regular ‘misgenderings’ all my life - but never in a toilet and except in one instance by an old lady as a child, always by men. And I don’t expect to start being challenged in loos by other women anytime soon.

DrudgeJedd · 23/05/2025 10:21

SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 09:51

Am now flashing back to that old Viz cartoon of Neville Chamberlain on the toilet. "I have in my hand a piece of paper..."

Can actually imagine Jolyon declaiming like that.

"I have in my hand a prescription for puberty blockers..."

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action
lcakethereforeIam · 23/05/2025 10:10

Seems he always had a high opinion of himself.

teawamutu · 23/05/2025 10:08

Another2Cats · 23/05/2025 09:08

A little bit off-topic, but I came across this statement today:

"I have on my desk an Opinion from a prominent QC at the Tax Bar. In it, he expresses a view on the law that is so far removed from legal reality that I do not believe he can genuinely hold the view he says he has. At best he is incompetent. But at worst, he is criminally fraudulent: he is obtaining his fee by deception. And this is not the first such Opinion I have seen. Such pass my desk All The Time."

That does sound so much like a quote about Joylon Maugham or one of the KCs that he has apparently taken advice from.

But it was actually a quote by Joylon himself talking about another QC back in the day when he was still practising tax law.

I just find it quite ironic that how he used to describe others in one context is how he appears (to me at least) these days.
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Link to article written by Joylon Maugham:

https://waitingfortax.com/2014/08/07/weak-transmission-mechanisms-and-boys-who-wont-say-no/

The sight of him gives me the ick now. The sheer self-regard just radiates from him.

SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 09:51

Am now flashing back to that old Viz cartoon of Neville Chamberlain on the toilet. "I have in my hand a piece of paper..."

Can actually imagine Jolyon declaiming like that.

Merrymouse · 23/05/2025 09:16

"Such pass my desk All The Time."

😁

Merrymouse · 23/05/2025 09:15

Another2Cats · 23/05/2025 09:08

A little bit off-topic, but I came across this statement today:

"I have on my desk an Opinion from a prominent QC at the Tax Bar. In it, he expresses a view on the law that is so far removed from legal reality that I do not believe he can genuinely hold the view he says he has. At best he is incompetent. But at worst, he is criminally fraudulent: he is obtaining his fee by deception. And this is not the first such Opinion I have seen. Such pass my desk All The Time."

That does sound so much like a quote about Joylon Maugham or one of the KCs that he has apparently taken advice from.

But it was actually a quote by Joylon himself talking about another QC back in the day when he was still practising tax law.

I just find it quite ironic that how he used to describe others in one context is how he appears (to me at least) these days.
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Link to article written by Joylon Maugham:

https://waitingfortax.com/2014/08/07/weak-transmission-mechanisms-and-boys-who-wont-say-no/

The style is VERY Jolyon Maugham though.

"I have on my desk..."

Another2Cats · 23/05/2025 09:08

A little bit off-topic, but I came across this statement today:

"I have on my desk an Opinion from a prominent QC at the Tax Bar. In it, he expresses a view on the law that is so far removed from legal reality that I do not believe he can genuinely hold the view he says he has. At best he is incompetent. But at worst, he is criminally fraudulent: he is obtaining his fee by deception. And this is not the first such Opinion I have seen. Such pass my desk All The Time."

That does sound so much like a quote about Joylon Maugham or one of the KCs that he has apparently taken advice from.

But it was actually a quote by Joylon himself talking about another QC back in the day when he was still practising tax law.

I just find it quite ironic that how he used to describe others in one context is how he appears (to me at least) these days.
.

Link to article written by Joylon Maugham:

https://waitingfortax.com/2014/08/07/weak-transmission-mechanisms-and-boys-who-wont-say-no/

Weak transmission mechanisms – and Boys Who Won’t Say No.

I have on my desk an Opinion – a piece of formal tax advice – from a prominent QC at the Tax Bar. In it, he expresses a view on the law that is so far removed from legal reality that I …

https://waitingfortax.com/2014/08/07/weak-transmission-mechanisms-and-boys-who-wont-say-no/

CassOle · 23/05/2025 08:36

borntobequiet · 23/05/2025 07:53

  • When my children were little I planned days out around toilet accessibility - not exclusively, but it was a serious consideration
  • Very heavy prolonged periods for most of my adult life meant access to toilets was a necessity and a source of anxiety for me
  • After gynaecological surgery in my 30s and later in my 40s this became even more important
  • When taking my elderly mother out and about in a wheelchair, important for both her and me
  • When taking my little granddaughters out and about, important for all of us
  • Now in my 70s, bladder problems are often a worry

I don’t think that I’m different from many women in the above, and in fact am thankful that I don’t have more serious conditions making access to safe, private facilities exclusively for the female sex so important.

Yes, it's time for the men who identify as women to step up and start planning their days out around using unisex loos (if they don't want to use the mens).

borntobequiet · 23/05/2025 07:53
  • When my children were little I planned days out around toilet accessibility - not exclusively, but it was a serious consideration
  • Very heavy prolonged periods for most of my adult life meant access to toilets was a necessity and a source of anxiety for me
  • After gynaecological surgery in my 30s and later in my 40s this became even more important
  • When taking my elderly mother out and about in a wheelchair, important for both her and me
  • When taking my little granddaughters out and about, important for all of us
  • Now in my 70s, bladder problems are often a worry

I don’t think that I’m different from many women in the above, and in fact am thankful that I don’t have more serious conditions making access to safe, private facilities exclusively for the female sex so important.

Bannedontherun · 22/05/2025 23:05

Merrymouse · 22/05/2025 22:59

Lots of people every day have to plan their outings around toilets, either because they are physically prevented from using most toilets or because they are always accompanied by small children or because they have to use toilets very frequently.

In comparison this is a discussion about people who are upset because they cannot use their preferred toilet.

Hmmm “preferred toilet” like helen Joyce said the men who wish to use women's toilets are the people that we most want to keep out.

Merrymouse · 22/05/2025 22:59

FlirtsWithRhinos · 22/05/2025 16:05

Yes, but also because it's an everyday activity that everyone does and it's pretty much binary, and that means TRAs can make it personal to everyone. No handwaving or "other people's problem", every trans person has to decide every time whether they are going to pee with their body or their deep inner soul.

It's also why pronouns amd language appropriation have become a big deal. They force women to make an immediate and personal decision between being "kind" to trans identifying people's ideas of identity and maintaining the truth of their own experiences just to be able to speak about a trans person.

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Lots of people every day have to plan their outings around toilets, either because they are physically prevented from using most toilets or because they are always accompanied by small children or because they have to use toilets very frequently.

In comparison this is a discussion about people who are upset because they cannot use their preferred toilet.

Another2Cats · 22/05/2025 22:35

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2025 17:25

So he's sent a letter before action and then has dropped a dead cat.

He has no intention of following the letter up with action. He's trying to distract us all from this.

For a moment there, I thought you were talking about my DH! (see my user name)

But then I realised that I was on a different thread. Sorry for the total off-topic response.

My DH is definitely following through on the letter before action in his case.

Bannedontherun · 22/05/2025 20:05

I think Moylan is the banner carrier and whipping master for all the hysteria all over everywhere on line.

i think it unsurprising that there is a hullabaloo, You know it all snook up on us over a number of years, and the fight back has been bit by bloody bit and then….

the carpet has been whipped from under their feet.

Shazam just like that in one fell swoop. The whole legal facade.

It makes me think of Ripley and the aliens when she killed the product of her own DNA, by ensuring it got sucked out of the spaceship window into the void of space.

It was a slow bloody, screaming, pitiful mess.

As with the aliens it may come back in some other form,

Hopefully we are more at the ready, and we need to stay alert and armed to the teeth, politically speaking.

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2025 20:01

Davros · 22/05/2025 19:46

We need to send this to More or Less on radio 4 “Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life”

Fantastic idea.

eatfigs · 22/05/2025 19:59

All his invented scenarios, all his manipulative rhetoric don't matter one jot. The law is the law. As a lawyer he should know that.

Davros · 22/05/2025 19:46

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2025 08:29

I'm intrigued by the assertion that this is happening to thousands of women up and down the country every day.

On what is he basing this?

We need to send this to More or Less on radio 4 “Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life”

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2025 18:58

SabrinaThwaite · 22/05/2025 18:53

How about pointing him at Surfers Against Sewage?

That could lead to some interesting conversations at the Maugham dinner table.

Don't we want to stop sewage?

I'm not sure that Maugham's success rate means you want to point him at a worthwhile cause.

SabrinaThwaite · 22/05/2025 18:53

KnottyAuty · 22/05/2025 09:05

From the podcast interview he talked about a fight against authority “breathing saliency” into his lungs. I’m assuming any of his actions aren’t so much about the women so much…. Maybe we need to find him a new campaign to help him feel relevant again?

How about pointing him at Surfers Against Sewage?

That could lead to some interesting conversations at the Maugham dinner table.

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2025 17:25

So he's sent a letter before action and then has dropped a dead cat.

He has no intention of following the letter up with action. He's trying to distract us all from this.

MotherofTeenGirl · 22/05/2025 17:20

@FlirtsWithRhinos@Keeptoiletssafe
Good points, and definitely agree

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