Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

They have plenty of rights. The issue here is their rights under the Equality Act and how these interact with women's rights. Trans activists kept insisting there was no conflict - now they have changed their tunes now that the matter has been sorted in favour of women.

I've been wondering this too. What concessions do they think are going to be made?

I keep hearing arguments about how it's preposterous to make someone who transitioned decades ago to use male spaces. But how could they make an exception for that? If someone has transitioned for a specific length of time then they can use opposite sex facilities? Or if someone 'passes' enough then they can use them? How would you even be the arbiter of that, given how subjective it is?

They had to draw a line some where, and they've drawn it along biology. I've also wondered if those who transitioned a long time ago will eventually turn on the proponents on self ID, because it was the push for self ID that caused this to end up in the Supreme Court.

Blah blah, made trans people cry,blah, blah. Fuck you, snot fair so we will do what we like do there?

at least that’s what he thinks he read?

So that we can have woman's hour back? Don't be silly. If they institute a 'queer'/trans hour I will expect the guests to be predominantly non-trans, straight women and that they will be invited to give their opinion on, say, the latest gender ideology bestseller that they haven't read.

Parity and all that.

You’ve got to admire their belief (delusion?) that the final EHRC guidance is actually going to say ‘men can use women’s single sex spaces and services to save their feelings being hurt/validate their identity/give them a chance to abuse/let them act out their sexual fantasies’.

The Amnesty bloke couldn’t discuss the Darlington nurses case because it would have raised the issue of the allegation that the transwoman was demanding the nurses change in front of them. If only there was some sort if law to give women a safe private space to change…🤔

Would he describe himself as a Cis man?

I came on to express my rage. I knew you wouldn’t let me down.

I’m so angry that woman’s hour has been dominated by men’s voices.

Could they please have a queer hour, or a transhour, so that we can have woman’s hour back please?

I’ve actually sent a positive comment to the BBC saying thanks for giving me a good laugh this morning, and, get more men like this on, they are making their point of view look more ridiculous every time they speak.

…he’d never heard of the Karen Danson case, as if!…😂😂😂

Before the interview started I thought “I bet it’s a man”, and as soon as he opened his mouth, yep, bloke.
So we’ve had 3 long segments on the SC ruling this week and two of the interviewees have been males, whinging about how the nasty, stupid cis-women (hate that phrase) won’t let them have their way. So like determined toddlers they are just going to keep on and in and on about how it’s NOT FAIR, until we capitulate and let them into our private spaces.
Well, as far as I’m concerned we’re not going to and they can get their validation, and whatever else they are after, elsewhere.
Now I fully expect this post to be taken down for using the word bloke, and being unkind.

Laura Bates on after - a good juxtaposition with that woolly twaddle.

The judgement is actually 88 pages, so that's a fairly liberal definition of "about 30 pages".

He was so bad I zoned out! Sorry to hear Stonewall declined an interview!

This goes some way to explain why Amnesty International has lost all sense of what they stand for. How sad they have been taken over and captured, reducing their once respected name to trash.

Did he actually say. 'cis women'? 🙄

OMG that was very boring - a man (who unbelievably went to Cambridge and isn’t a lawyer) talked a load of nonsense!

Well women get some choice as far as partners goes at least. Whereas 6ft 5 paedophile Dolatowski being in a toilet labelled as single sex when you go in - not so much choice there, is there? Or Isla Bryson walking in mid pee?

Karen Danson would obviously have CHOSEN not to share with Rose if given a choice, which she wasn't until she complained and now she has to get changed in a completely inappropriate space with all the other women who feel the same. Whilst 'Rose' gets the entire female changing room to himself.

I wish she'd asked what's to stop one of the violent abusive 'cis' men being discussed calling himself Isla in order to go into spaces deceptively labelled 'women's'.

I now think that the first question on all of these interviews should be, "have you read the judgment?"

If yes, this should be followed up with a series of very basic comprehension questions so that the guest can prove that they have, in fact, read it. Then the interviewer can get on with the business of seeking an opinion on it.

If no, the only response is surely, "then what earthly use are you to a discussion about it?"

He said that we shouldn’t exclude people from services because of how they identify.
What, not at all?
Men (however he sees them, cis or trans) are excluded from women’s spaces. Excluded for a reason. What reason?
FFS

Yet another email to so called WH today. I wondered why they were so incurious about the effects of the SC ruling on women...
I forgot to ask whether they had read the Janet and John version for the intellectually chalenged

Thank you all very much for the updates. I completely forgot about WH today because there's no GCSE pickup until later!!!

I was just thinking this! Helen would have eaten him alive and sounded sane and good humoured and brilliant while she did it. Bloody love Helen.

I think I'm going to have to listen again to absorb the full ridiculousness. But honestly, they used to be such a reputable trustworthy organisation. What the fuck happened, and on whose watch? Surely they can't ever come back from that kind of offensive, ill-informed, ignorant nonsense.

Well it’s a fact that some trans people do face discrimination and have a right for their voices to be heard

He said that trans people are affected by domestic violence as are other women.

That wording to me suggests that when he says trans people he's only thinking about trans identified men.

The Amnesty bloke seemed totally out of his depth. I am so sick of people like him using emotionally manipulative arguments (1% of the population, most marginalised group ever etc) to coerce others into agreeing that women shouldn't have rights too.

It would have been amazing if HJ had been on at the same time as him.