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HoC debated on "Allow transgender people to self-identify their legal gender" - Monday 19 May 2025 at 4:30pm

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 18:21

For some reasons the House of Commons Petitions Committee have not listed this on the official web site of forthcoming Westminister Hall debates.

But seem to think a short tweet is enough notice! https://x.com/HoCpetitions/status/1922663793403855330

Again haven't listed petition url but can be found on https://petition.parliament.uk

And should be available to watch via https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Guide

Just in case anyone wants to lobby their MP to attend.

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 19:09

The petition was started some months before the Supreme Court ruling. And of course some are now saying they will challenge it.

That is why in one way this debate could be really interesting to see who if anybody turns up for it.

On one level the petition debates area as much about do MPs listen to memers of the public.

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DragonRunor · 15/05/2025 19:08

Thankyou for highlighting IWantToRetire. I agree the comms issue makes it look like an attempt to sneak it under the radar; and getting a LD MP to chair it 😂 - we can expect an…. Interesting debate!

RoyalCorgi · 15/05/2025 19:07

DragonRunor · 15/05/2025 19:02

Here’s the wording of the petition

“Allow transgender people to self-identify their legal gender.
We believe the government should change legislation to make it easier for trans people of all ages to change their legal gender without an official diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
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Transgender people have a history of major discrimination in the UK and around the world. Major studies in reputable journals have shown a positive correlation between allowing trans people to live as their gender, rather than their sex assigned at birth in regards to positive mental and physical health outcomes.”

Major studies in reputable journals - unfortunately many ‘reputable journals’ have blown their credibility out of the water by publishing paper after paper of unevidenced, self-referenced shite on this particular topic

It's a bit weird they've gone down this route. A GRC is as good as meaningless after the Supreme Court ruling. A man with a GRC still isn't allowed in women's spaces. And you don't need a GRC to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment in the Equality Act.

DragonRunor · 15/05/2025 19:05

While I was there I found this one too

Review how the rights of trans athletes are respected in sports
We call on the Government to commission a review into trans athletes’ participation in sports, looking at how to balance fairness and inclusivity, based on scientific research. Trans people face exclusion from sports at various levels. We believe this is a violation of human rights.
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We consider that policies often do not reflect the complexities of gender identity and the realities of hormone treatments, leading to unfair bans and restrictions. We would like a review to look at the merits of individual assessments instead of blanket bans.
The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) includes "rest and leisure" and participation ”in the cultural life of the community" as human rights. We believe that fair play is crucial, but that current policies can unfairly target and exclude trans people, particularly trans women.
Sign this petition2,199 signatures

one to keep an eye on. Good to know they care about fairness 🤣

Petition: Review how the rights of trans athletes are respected in sports

We call on the Government to commission a review into trans athletes’ participation in sports, looking at how to balance fairness and inclusivity, based on scientific research. Trans people face exclusion from sports at various levels. We believe this...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700219/signatures/new

DragonRunor · 15/05/2025 19:02

Here’s the wording of the petition

“Allow transgender people to self-identify their legal gender.
We believe the government should change legislation to make it easier for trans people of all ages to change their legal gender without an official diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
More details
Transgender people have a history of major discrimination in the UK and around the world. Major studies in reputable journals have shown a positive correlation between allowing trans people to live as their gender, rather than their sex assigned at birth in regards to positive mental and physical health outcomes.”

Major studies in reputable journals - unfortunately many ‘reputable journals’ have blown their credibility out of the water by publishing paper after paper of unevidenced, self-referenced shite on this particular topic

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 18:47

I bet he's well relieved with the Supreme Court ruling.

The Supreme Court ruling has nothing to do with this.

If anything it will be about changing the GRA and the process of getting a GRC.

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 18:45

Scottish Government tried this

That was because Scotland couldn't have a law that was different to other parts of the UK. Not about the issue itself. So interesting to see how many, if any SNP MPs turn up.

Although they made it less likely to get support because of setting the age at 16.

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 18:42

eatfigs · 15/05/2025 18:35

The government already said they're not going to introduce gender self-id laws.

That's not the only point. This is about the democratic process that the HoC Petitions are part of.

And even if they are the Government they aren't the ones who decide on everything.

Not forgetting Labour may not last 5 years!

Given the number of people signing the petition is one indicator, the other is which MPs turn up to the debate and says what.

Alternatively that no one turns up and is a signal to the trans community that they aren't the priority they thought they were.

And MPs just aren't bothered that they have been banned from taking part in Pride and no longer feel the need to virtue signal.

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eatfigs · 15/05/2025 18:40

frenchnoodle · 15/05/2025 18:36

Do you trust them?

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No but Starmer's not a fool, he saw the reaction when the Scottish Government tried this and will be staying well away from this. I bet he's well relieved with the Supreme Court ruling.

frenchnoodle · 15/05/2025 18:36

eatfigs · 15/05/2025 18:35

The government already said they're not going to introduce gender self-id laws.

Do you trust them?

eatfigs · 15/05/2025 18:35

The government already said they're not going to introduce gender self-id laws.

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 18:32

Or maybe you dont want your MP to attend if they are going to agree with the Petition!

Have just seen it is listed on the web page business of the day:

And will be chaired(?) by Dr Roz Savage Liberal Democrat MP for South Cotswolds https://whatson.parliament.uk/event/cal51896

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MargotB · 15/05/2025 18:29

I don't understand the term 'legal gender'. Legal sex yes, because sex is a biological fact. But legal gender - I don't get it as gender is a made up social construct so what's legal about some made up bollocks it?

Buffypaws · 15/05/2025 18:24

How suspect!