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HoC debated on "Allow transgender people to self-identify their legal gender" - Monday 19 May 2025 at 4:30pm

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IwantToRetire · 15/05/2025 18:21

For some reasons the House of Commons Petitions Committee have not listed this on the official web site of forthcoming Westminister Hall debates.

But seem to think a short tweet is enough notice! https://x.com/HoCpetitions/status/1922663793403855330

Again haven't listed petition url but can be found on https://petition.parliament.uk

And should be available to watch via https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Guide

Just in case anyone wants to lobby their MP to attend.

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rebmacesrevda · 19/05/2025 18:35

IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:17

Really good speaker from SNP(?!!)

Pointing out the impact on the protected charateristic of sex.

And is using how this was debated in Scotland to say it isn't as easy as previous speakers have implied.

Finished by saying sex and gender are not the same thing!

That's Tracy Gilbert. Labour, not SNP. We need more like her!

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 18:34

IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 18:33

According to google it is Mims Davies.

I think she did quite well given the over performed hostility but cant help wanting to have seen Kemi Badenoch give they all short shrift.

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lcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2025 18:33

That sneering woman with purple scarf...if biological sex is immutable why does it matter what it says on your passport or birth certificate...like it's some kind of gotcha! Because, you idiot, successive governments have created a situation where Dr Upton will look a court in the eye and insist he is a biological female. If big Brenda tells the local rape crisis he should be in the female shelter it would be great to ask him to simply show his passport, driving licence or birth certificate to prove he's lying. Rather than jump through complicated hoops to keep the bastard out!

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 18:33

According to google it is Mims Davies.

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TheAutumnCrow · 19/05/2025 18:32

Trovindia · 19/05/2025 18:31

How can we find out which MPs attended this?

I hope it'll be recorded in Hansard and made public at some point?

TheAutumnCrow · 19/05/2025 18:32

IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 18:30

Shadow Minister for Women** has turned up.

Been interrupted. Scorned. Up until now everyone has been very polite.

Now they are saying she is crazy to think it is important to have biological sex recorded. Someone even saying why doesn anyone need to know.

She managed to keep going and raised the issue of correct collection of data.

What a shame that others who could have made points about sex based rights haven't turned up.

** Sorry cant find her name!

Is it Claire Coutinho, Con?

Trovindia · 19/05/2025 18:31

How can we find out which MPs attended this?

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 18:30

Shadow Minister for Women** has turned up.

Been interrupted. Scorned. Up until now everyone has been very polite.

Now they are saying she is crazy to think it is important to have biological sex recorded. Someone even saying why doesn anyone need to know.

She managed to keep going and raised the issue of correct collection of data.

What a shame that others who could have made points about sex based rights haven't turned up.

** Sorry cant find her name!

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GreenwichPips · 19/05/2025 18:19

The main unkindness that has been done to trans people is in letting them believe that they can ever change sex to the extent that they will be accepted by others as being the opposite sex. The arguments made by transwomen against having third spaces for toilets etc is that this will “out” them as not really being female, when this is already apparent regardless of whether or not they use the women’s toilet.

lcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2025 18:18

I've an idea where the GC people, assuming there are any might be. I read a book review in the Critic earlier today.

https://thecritic.co.uk/how-not-to-argue/

It was rather long but worth a read. This is the pertinent bit

Here Shahvisi appears oblivious to the true goal of high-profile “cancellation” campaigns: not to silence J.K. Rowling, Steven Pinker or Richard Dawkins — who are indeed “too big to be cancelled” — but to serve as a warning to less powerful people that they could be next.

They're keeping their heads down. Or perhaps they recognise what an utter waste of their time this would be. No-one is going to have their mind changed by this, but Sian Berry and her ilk have signalled their virtue and, possibly, retained the votes of the unfortunates who've been captured by this nonsense.

GreenwichPips · 19/05/2025 18:13

TheAutumnCrow · 19/05/2025 18:12

Thanks for watching, those who can stomach it.

There doesn’t seem to be any balance at all in this “debate”.

TheAutumnCrow · 19/05/2025 18:12

Thanks for watching, those who can stomach it.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 18:06

lcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2025 18:05

Some Scottish bloke quoting 'everyone has the right to be themselves' as though it's some sort of profound truth instead of what it really is, an empty, inane platitude.

(except women)

lcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2025 18:05

Some Scottish bloke quoting 'everyone has the right to be themselves' as though it's some sort of profound truth instead of what it really is, an empty, inane platitude.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 18:05

GreenwichPips · 19/05/2025 18:02

This is so depressing. Where are the supporters of women’s sex-based rights?

Got lost at the bar.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2025 18:04

IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:41

Again mention of how insulting spousal refusal is.

@TinselAngel

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What's that court case going on today... The trans MP up on a harassment charge because he wanted his ex wife to continue being his emotional support doormat?

Ironic timing.

GreenwichPips · 19/05/2025 18:04

Who is the woman with brown curly hair in the dark red blouse?

GreenwichPips · 19/05/2025 18:02

This is so depressing. Where are the supporters of women’s sex-based rights?

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:58

ooops! typo has mangled meaning.

Particularly when it seems supporters of sex based rights are committed enough to turn up to discuss the issue.

Particularly when it seems supporters of sex based rights are NOT committed enough to turn up to discuss the issue.

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:54

I had a private bet with myself that someone would cry.

And now it has happened, rather later than I expected.

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:53

What none of them are explaining is that if being trans isn't a medical condition why does anyone need a certificate.

Why should this life style need a certificate.

Earliere speakers have said primarily most trans people are people who have no intention of getting any medical intervention.

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lcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2025 17:47

The sky's holding up quite well here in the UK too.

lcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2025 17:45

The woman who mentioned the spousal exit! I'll generously assume she doesn't know wtf fuck she's talking about. Wilful ignorance. She should be ashamed.

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:41

Again mention of how insulting spousal refusal is.

@TinselAngel

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IwantToRetire · 19/05/2025 17:40

Bit of an eye opener, but shows that actual experience is more important.

ie 2 women from Scotland who have seen how self identity doesn't work are the only ones speaking out in Westminster.

Do none of the others speakers have no awareness of the shambles that happened north of the border?

And I think it is very telling that no one from the Government which has apparently said it will not be making any changes to the GRA, getting a GRC, is willing to come to this meeting and explain their position.

I have no doubt that if Starmer thought it would improve his ratings that Labour would push this through in this Parliament.

Particularly when it seems supporters of sex based rights are committed enough to turn up to discuss the issue.

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