I totally get where you are coming from, but you seem to be ignoring the possibility that Labour may be lying to the TAs with no intention of doing much to advance their agenda. Right now we have Labour saying we really care about women and trans people and we can MAKE BOTH happy, because we are that good. This is obvious nonsense. They have to make a choice. The Supreme Court Ruling is very black and white. If they don't choose to undermine it by passing actual LAWS then bit by bit the state will drift back towards reality, mainly because Mumsnetters will take out court cases to assert their legal rights. That was what all the TA MPs are moaning about.
What did the The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Seema Malhotra) actually say which was concrete?
Most of what she said was the political blather about how Labour would make everyone happy. There were some solid points;
1 -EHRC’s commitment to ensure that diverse voices are included and will be listened to. It is important to also recognise that the final draft of the updated code will be laid in Parliament and subject to scrutiny and consideration by both Houses in due course.
So we are going to see Parliamentary and hence public debate on the code. Obviously you think it will be tweaked to give Ts as much support as possible. Well maybe that will happen, if it does it will have to happen in public. So we will get to see it. If Labour decide to betray women everyone will get to see it.
2 - To briefly refer to the Supreme Court judgment again, I recognise that recent years have seen an increasing focus on the definition of sex in the Equality Act and access to single-sex spaces. The Supreme Court has given its judgment on that point, and the Government have been consistently clear that single-sex spaces must be protected, but we also know that trans people must be protected, and their safety and wellbeing is a matter for all of us. It is the role of the Government and Parliament to protect all members of society, and I hope that with the processes we have, we can now work better together to do just that.
This passage is important a lot of the TAs in the debate were saying or implying the Supreme Court got it wrong on sex. Here is the Labour Minister saying explicitly that it was RIGHT! It is words like this that makes me personally I think Labour will stick to saying women have real single sex spaces and will go with that for political reasons. Maybe I am wrong, but we will find out.
Third - I can also confirm that, as part of our agenda supporting LGBT+ people, the Government will deliver a full trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices. We are clear that conversion practices are abuse. They do not work, and they can and do inflict deep and lasting harm on victims. The continuation of such acts in our society—a society largely accepting of LGBT+ people—must be challenged. The previous Government failed to act, but this Government will not fail.
That is why we committed in the King’s Speech to publish draft legislation for a full trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices. We are working hard to draft measures that offer protection from these harmful practices, while also respecting the important role that teachers, religious leaders, parents and carers can have in supporting those exploring their sexual orientation or gender identity.
The Conversion therapy bill looks to be a nothing law. Remember the TAs are claiming ridiculous numbers of gay people are being exorcised. Labour are going to end up with a bill which will ban a lot of non-existent crime it will have loopholes for sensible therapy to be carried out. Even more than women Labour are terrified of upsetting the Muslim vote. So lets wait to look at the bill, but if it is not going to stop Muslims saying gay people are nasty which it won't, it certainly isn't going to ban Terfs from saying women are real and arguing putting every weird kid on hormones is insane which is what the TAs were really rooting for. If it has deeper agenda women will expose it and campaign against it. So lets wait and see.
4 - NHS England has increased the number of adult gender dysphoria clinics in England from seven to 12, but in the light of the Cass report’s recommendations, NHS England also launched an in-depth review of adult services led by Dr David Levy in August 2024. The review will assess not only the quality, effectiveness, safety and patient experience of each service, but their stability and whether the existing model is still appropriate for the patients they care for....
I briefly mentioned Dr Levy’s review of adult gender services in NHS England. We want to ensure that all trans people can get the high-quality care they deserve, and my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow North (Martin Rhodes) referred to that, too. Also, we remain committed to implementing the recommendations set out in the Cass report, working with NHS England as it continues to improve children’s and young people’s gender services, and ensuring that those services provide the right healthcare, safeguarding and support for children and young people. That means making sure that they are based on the best available evidence and expert clinical opinion.
This is the biggest point. Labour want to follow REAL medical science not just Cass but the Levy report. This is a DISASTER for the TAs and going to wreck them long term. The Levy report is going expose a lot of harmful stuff. Whatever nonsense wording Labour put over things pushing the science forward is good news. Because biology is real.
Either way we are going to see what happens. Mumsnet and others will be watching. I think Labour is drifting our way, but even if they choose to betray reality, they will PAY FOR IT. If they want to follow the path laid out by Sturgeon to failure they can. However I think the reality is that Labour are not brave or daft enough to do that and are not united enough on this either.
Obviously we watch them like a HAWK and as soon as they do something we don't like we act. We can always wreck Labour like we did the SNP if we need to. It might take years, but reality always bites.