Is this how Trans Ideology took hold?

one point which is on public record is the funding of the Lib Dems by Ferring Pharmaceuticals which makes puberty blockers.

There are huge financial rewards of this ideology to pharma companies, and private medical practices in many countries, but especially the US.

I'm not sure how Stonewall managed to get started (maybe trading on their existing brand - ie they sold out LGB) but their champion scheme has been a major money spinner, and has obviously broadened to a huge range of DEI training & consultancy companies

there is plenty of money and incentive to drive this.

In fact, I’d be really interested to know how much public money the UK has spent on it - it’s definitely a lot!

🤦‍♀️good grief!

Not just tall buildings - but I have to admit I am not 100% up to speed - but it seems to be affecting public buildings generally

That link is a quango/think tank based in Scotland. And all the examples are scottish. It is a glossy brochure - who funded it? That is a document intended to encourage architects down this route - so somehow you have to work out how to make your own version and get it circulated? I wonder if some wims here could help you?

Hmm you have more faith than me! I have come across documents with architects focusing the principles of toilet safety (which make the same points as me) then ignore them completely by showing examples of ‘inclusive’ fully private ‘gender neutral’ cubicles. I don’t understand it.

This is just one example from 2019:
www.ads.org.uk/sites/default/files/2022-05/case-study-toilet-design-learning-environment-2019.pdf

I can’t see how I can get it through as a need to the Building Safety Act as school buildings aren’t that tall.

I do seem to getting somewhere with other bodies though.

The interesting thing is how this particular ideology took over the whole of the Western world at the same time. The language used in all the different countries is the same too - the same mantras such as "no debate", "trans women are women" etc. The same ideological capture of big institutions such as universities and governments. It feels like it must have been orchestrated - which sounds a bit conspiracy theorist, but how else do you explain it?

I’ve been reading The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht. The first chapter is going into a lot of detail on who/what/where. Quite a charm offensive and dinners to start with… then big government grants…

From what I can tell your extract here is from DfE guidance?

Architects can ask for derogation of those if they understand the problems. Happens with lots of other spatial requirements. So publicising toilet design issues within the RIBA would still be worthwhile - at the same time as tackling the DfE

ETA that if you can somehow link this need to The Building Safety Act it will fly through …

School specific brief:

I have written a paper but unfortunately they wouldn’t like it. It focuses on design and the problems of what happens in reality in schools.

‘The school specific brief is for technical professionals involved in the design and construction of school premises. It will initially be populated at Feasibility Stage (RIBA stages 1-2 (part)), developed and refined during Procurement Stage (RIBA stages 3-4), when it will become integral to the Building Contract as Part C of the Employer’s Requirements.’

The school specific brief says:

(won’t add photo I will try again)

This is why some schools have unisex toilets only. And washing hands in the circulation space (bloody hands or washing period stains out are obviously not considered). You have to justify why you are not having standard floor to ceiling cubicles (there will be children with diabetes, epilepsy, heart conditions in every secondary school so I think the justification should be the other way round).

This has been the specification for years for new and refurbished toilet blocks in schools.

Interestingly I found out it is non statutory but it’s listed under ‘Employers requirements’ so it sounds like it is.

I have never come across any risk assessments for these designs. The DfE say they don’t hold them. Safety is never mentioned within toilets sections. It’s all about privacy within the cubicle.

Agree. When we have these people shouting about disability rights and women’s rights, I’ll agree with rainbow flags.

Have you written a paper that you could send to the RIBA? Not explicitly dealing with the gender issues but for member CPD if changes are going to be made at least understand what the needs are? It’s very much a “gentleman’s” profession so the do need reminders

She had an actual job, the equality stuff was something she’d volunteered for as an extra role.

There's an enormous financial benefit to the promotion of gender ideology if you're an American healthcare company, pharmaceutical company.
The ideology took hold in North America first and foremost.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stonewall was captured by the pharmaceutical and medical industry before their mission to capture every corporation in Britain with their ideology.

Creating the idea of a "trans child" was a sick move and every stock exchanger who invested in that idea was gambling on it paying out for them in the long run. It was a huge new money maker at the expense of women and children.

The influence of Stonewall must have had an effect too although I think it was a bit of a chicken and egg situation. (Someone more knowledgable must have the facts) Once the notion that trans inclusion was a worthwhile area, Stonewall declared itself an expert and created its champions programme. Companies found an easy way of showing how inclusive they could be and none of them wanted to be the last to the party. Once large and influential institutions such as the BBC and the NHS were signed up, the message became all pervasive.

So what did she do all day for work? If there are no trans people at your site, and that is where she saw her job, did she just sit and twiddle her thumbs all day? That is honestly one of the most bonkers things I have seen from a DEI perspective. And no wonder women and disability are shoved out of the way.

“What does it say about the state of Scottish and British politics that it takes a grassroots women’s organisation to go to the Supreme Court before they’ll even acknowledge there’s an issue."
Bloody well said!
However, I believe there is something deeply sinister behind transactivism as yet to be uncovered. It's not a grass roots movement is it? It's being applied from the highest levels upon the people.

I suppose it is easier to put a rainbow flag on your website than to develop alternate language literature for marginalised community groups, or put real effort into understanding why vulnerable groups don't access services.

Agreed. Companies want to boost profits and still get social kudos from virtue signalling so the easiest thing to do is rainbow lanyards trite soundbites and nothing practical. In a lot of cases they'll pump millions into something splashy like NHS EDI stuff but fail to make meaningful changes in the workplace to improve conditions. The millions on rainbows is still cheaper than decent pay and conditions.

In addition, the people who gender ideology (and other virtue signalling) harms the most are the poorest and therefore most vulnerable, who have little opportunity due to lack of money to access the law, to fight the poor treatment.

The people imposing it are rich, so insulated from the consequences.

That's why the only way this will stop is via job losses. Those imposing this really do need to face consequences or it'll never end.

I've experienced the ageism thing too. It's appalling.

Ironically the toilet designs I campaign for are cheaper BUT the other fully enclosed toilets can need more ventilation, alarms, sinks etc so I think are more attractive for manufacturers to sell. One company discussed how the aesthetics were nicer for Instagram photos 😠

And of course they sell the enclosed designs because they are ‘inclusive’ yet are not. They are least unsafe for healthy men.

Where I work an email came around asking for input on equality and diversity so I responded that every time a woman went on maternity leave she either didn’t return or returned to a lower paid job because the workload in our department is too much, and if people tried working part time they failed because of the demands on them and other people saw them fail and decided not to put themselves through it, so they should look at amending the way we work to make it more family friendly, which would be very doable but would require support from the company. I then bumped into our equality lead who told me before my email she hadn’t considered women, she just thought equality was about ‘transgender stuff’ - this is an extremely intelligent and well educated woman and mother!!! We don’t even have any trans identified employees at our site ffs!

I'm getting on a bit OP (50s) and the older I get the more I realise that sadly EVERYTHING comes down to money.

Yes was just going to say the other group it has h£lpfully deflected attention from is disability rights. Ensuring genuine access across society for disabled people is as expensive as women's equality (and just as important).

And, as with women, it hasn't just taken attention and resources. So called "trans inclusion" actively disadvantages people with disabilities in multiple ways.

Edit to add: obvs genuine trans inclusion, built upon honesty, would not disadvantage women or people with disabilities. It is a shame no big organisation is willing to fight for this.

The reason I started looking at toilet cubicles and rooms was why the designs had changed to make them more dangerous, especially for people with medical conditions (including a whole range of disabilities). Then I started researching and couldn’t believe what was going on. The needs of whole groups of people being ignored/forgotten.