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Naomi Cunningham’s response to Prof Norrie’s post on University of Strathclyde’s blog on the SC decision

95 replies

Lolapusht · 15/05/2025 09:53

Yikes!

Gender Doesn’t Matter

This is a brilliantly written piece. Still reading it, but my goodness Naomi is incredible.

Gender doesn't matter | University of Strathclyde

https://www.strath.ac.uk/humanities/lawschool/blog/genderdoesntmatter/

OP posts:
Swashbuckled · 15/05/2025 12:56

”trans-identifying men who suffer the trauma of puzzled looks”

🤣

HermioneWeasley · 15/05/2025 12:49

She’s brilliant

MassiveWordSalad · 15/05/2025 12:46

Thank you to Naomi as always.

Her points make sense, they have always made sense, but women matter so little that it has been possible to overlook the law and the truth in the name of ideology. I’m just having one of those moments again where I think “is this really happening??” 😟 I was watching the Handmaid’s Tale recently and thinking - again - that Gilead is not a far-fetched idea.

MarieDeGournay · 15/05/2025 12:37

MoistVonL · 15/05/2025 11:18

Wow, Naomi Cunningham absolutely eviscerated him. Brutal and brilliant.

Side note: I fancy a spare set of legs; anyone know where we can get them? The ones I have don’t work properly.

For one awful nanosecond I thought you had written 'literally' eviscerated him!

Fortunately we don't use TRA-speak, where 'literally' means literally everything except 'literally.' Literally.

Sorry I have no legs to spare, I'd happily share with you if I had an extra pairSmile

KnottyAuty · 15/05/2025 12:28

Who encouraged this chap to write a blog post on a subject for which he was entirely unqualified and ill equipped? Getting the PCs wrong for starters undermines his whole argument... It's one thing to be out of your depth but to go into print and reveal it to everyone... ouch... Emeritus Professor possibly for reasons obvious to see. I'm embarrassed for him.

LittleGreenDuck · 15/05/2025 12:28

Wonderful!

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/05/2025 12:24

I can’t believe Norrie used the line about everyone having gender neutral toilets in their homes.

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 12:24

I loved the very logical approach. You can see why she is such a great Barrister.

ladymalfoy45 · 15/05/2025 12:19

That was biblical.

CapabilityBrownsHaHa · 15/05/2025 12:04

For the burn.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 15/05/2025 11:50

She's killed him stone dead!! 😂😂

WithSilverBells · 15/05/2025 11:43

Superb. Thanks OP

Mmmnotsure · 15/05/2025 11:40

From Naomi's piece:
If women would only be good and obedient, men wouldn’t have to get angry with them.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 15/05/2025 11:31

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/05/2025 11:21

Sally Hines is a professor.

Yes, but there are limits to how far I would have been willing to embarrass myself in the interests of high academic status and bags of gold!

Brefugee · 15/05/2025 11:24

potpourree · 15/05/2025 10:40

If you are using an internet browser, the url (web address) should show in the top bar of your browser.
You just copy and paste that.
What browser do you use ( chrome, firefox, edge etc)?

If you're on some app, it might be different.

sorry, yes i know that. I don't know if it's my settings or it's a new thing (I encounter it all the time) that you have to find a link.

If they give the link in the share option - all well and good. If there is no share option i don't have the faintest clue how to do it, since the link from the address bar turns into the headline of the article/webpage.

Igmum · 15/05/2025 11:23

Damn she’s good. ❤️❤️❤️ Naomi

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/05/2025 11:21

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 15/05/2025 11:18

I read Norrie's piece (linked from NC's). I then read NC's response, and was pleased to see that she picked up on the things that nearly caused me to explode. My favourite was his "innumeracy" as NC called it - the idea that the chances of anyone meeting a certificated person is the ratio of certificated people to uncertificated people, as if we don't each meet thousands of people.

What a poorly argued article from Norrie. If you can become a Professor (emeritus) with such poor reasoning skills, why are most of us not highly regarded academics? Did I miss my school's explanation of the best pathway to success?

Sally Hines is a professor.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2025 11:19

Well done Strathclyde for letting both sides speak. Although you've earned an eyeroll for 'don't hurt me' disclaimer at the start. It's almost certainly not people labelled GC whose wrath they're fearful of.

This bit

Norrie’s use of the words “chutzpah” and “shame” is disquieting. A tiny grassroots women’s pressure group took on the whole might of the Scottish Government (backed by a great weight of confident legal expertise) in defence of women’s basic rights, and won. “Courage” and “pride” would be more apt.

❤️

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 15/05/2025 11:18

I read Norrie's piece (linked from NC's). I then read NC's response, and was pleased to see that she picked up on the things that nearly caused me to explode. My favourite was his "innumeracy" as NC called it - the idea that the chances of anyone meeting a certificated person is the ratio of certificated people to uncertificated people, as if we don't each meet thousands of people.

What a poorly argued article from Norrie. If you can become a Professor (emeritus) with such poor reasoning skills, why are most of us not highly regarded academics? Did I miss my school's explanation of the best pathway to success?

MoistVonL · 15/05/2025 11:18

Wow, Naomi Cunningham absolutely eviscerated him. Brutal and brilliant.

Side note: I fancy a spare set of legs; anyone know where we can get them? The ones I have don’t work properly.

potpourree · 15/05/2025 11:02

Beowulfa · 15/05/2025 10:32

The "expert in family and LGBTQ+# rights" genuinely gets two of the 2010 EA protected characteristics wrong in the second paragraph of his piece.

How can there not be professional consequences for such blatant incompetence?

I find it baffling. How on Earth is an "expert" academic so careless with words? I'd be absolutely embarrassed to have gotten this so badly wrong so publicly.

He's also muddled up Sex Matters with FWS, by the looks of it.

I'm tempted to identify as a legal academic. I could do a better job than this sorry effort.

(I wasn't going to mention the double spacing in his article, either, but looks like I just did)

TrainGame · 15/05/2025 11:00

Wow. What a missive. I’m so glad people like Naomi exist!!!

THANK YOU!

The thing I found worrying was at the start:

”and do not represent the position of the University of Strathclyde or Strathclyde Law School”.

When ARE businesses, universities and other establishments going to get behind women and THE LAW??

It’s like they’re too scared to say, yes, she’s right, we’ll enforce women’s rights to single use spaces. It’s like they’re still pandering to the trans community, hedging their bets, dithering, hovering on the fence.

And why would that be? Because they know the virulence of the backlash they will get. We’ve all seen what JKR has had to put up with. Nobody wants that on their doorstep so they keep appeasing…

Just when is this horror going to go away? Forever?

TracyCruz · 15/05/2025 10:59

SternJoyousBee · 15/05/2025 10:54

I suggest it’s deliberate rather than incompetence.

He's just "holistically" quoting them 😂

SternJoyousBee · 15/05/2025 10:54

Beowulfa · 15/05/2025 10:32

The "expert in family and LGBTQ+# rights" genuinely gets two of the 2010 EA protected characteristics wrong in the second paragraph of his piece.

How can there not be professional consequences for such blatant incompetence?

I suggest it’s deliberate rather than incompetence.

SternJoyousBee · 15/05/2025 10:52

“Norrie’s call for kindness is in truth a thinly disguised demand for submission.”

I ❤️ Naomi Cunningham so much.