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Another2Cats · 2025-05-14T06:14:18+00:00

Just saw this: *[[https://x.com/HJoyceGender Helen Joyce]] *[[https://x.com/HJoyceGender @ HJoyceGender]] Morning all! Guess where I'm off to this fine day - Broadcasting House to discuss the [[https://x.com/ForWomenScot @ ForWomenScot]] judgment, 4 weeks on, on [[https://x.com/BBCWomansHour @ BBCWomansHour]]! Do listen in. I'm looking forward to debunking some shocking disinformation, and reminding an astonished world that Women Have Rights Too [[https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1922534653166006316 https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1922534653166006316]] [EDIT] Yes, I know I put "Women's" instead of "Woman's" in the title

Gnomegarden32 · 14/05/2025 21:22

The only, only bad thing about this dark period ending will be not getting to listen to Helen speak all the time

rhywlodes · 14/05/2025 21:20

I am hearing on the grapevine that the BBC has been inundated with complaints for having Helen Joyce on.

So let's inundate them with positive feedback! I've just left a 'shit sandwich' type comment - HJ was fantastic/what the hell took you so long/ why was Nuala so scared unprepared/what an amazing and eloquent communicator HJ is!

Ramblingnamechanger · 14/05/2025 21:15

But thank you Helen for getting our message out loud and clear.

Ramblingnamechanger · 14/05/2025 21:13

I would have liked Helen to ask Nuala about whether the Supreme Court Judgement has had any effect on BBC policies in respect of single sex spaces.

DeanElderberry · 14/05/2025 21:06

Brefugee · 14/05/2025 20:27

Everyone else understood. Sorry, do you need me to explain?

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In the past I have suspected that objections to easily understood references (and to side discussions) are a symptom of a machine reader that can't cope with the leaps of human imagination, so tries to limit them.

Just saying.

borntobequiet · 14/05/2025 20:55

I also said that it was good to hear from a well-informed, sensible and reputable woman rather than from the usual sad parade of men, some with questionable backgrounds. I couldn’t help myself.

NotAtMyAge · 14/05/2025 20:55

LittleBitofBread · 14/05/2025 13:21

I'm not denying that. It's just that any personal dig leaves her open to criticism. And opens up that stupid argument along the lines of 'what about trans men?/what about small trans women?' ie is it then OK to let SOME men into women's spaces and where do you draw the line.

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I'm struggling to understand how describing someone using neutral terms like tall and imposing can be construed as a personal dig. Neither of these words is in any way pejorative.

GailBlancheViola · 14/05/2025 20:53

RoyalCorgi · 14/05/2025 20:23

Mildly interesting question: does Robin delude himself that he passes, and that's why he's not being challenged, or does he get a kick out of the fact that women are too frightened to challenge him?

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I'd go for the latter.

GreenFriedTomato · 14/05/2025 20:53

Brefugee · 14/05/2025 13:10

one thing that struck me in the interview was that the host said something about organisations "not complying with the law the way you'd like them to". It was a question i think (I really could do with a transcript, I'm rubbish at remembering things.

what is "not complying with the law"? that would be "not obeying the law". It is a stupid fatuous thing to say.

This statement baffles me too. It suggests there are numerous ways of complying with/obeying the law-some more agreeable than others.
Organisations not complying with the law following the SC ruling aren't complying in a way HJ doesn't like. They aren't complying with it full stop.
It's similar to those arguing that people are interpreting the law too literally.

CriticalCondition · 14/05/2025 20:50

I also left a positive comment but asked why it had taken so long (rhetorical question).

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 14/05/2025 20:46

I've left a positive comment, although I did feel duty bound to say how poor the BBC's coverage of these issues has been in the past, and how much clearer it is when correct pronouns are used and people are referred to as their biological sex.

Vergingontheridiculous · 14/05/2025 20:44

Question for anyone re listening, did RMW refer to gender dysphoria? I think I recall he did. In which case we're talking about mental illness?

borntobequiet · 14/05/2025 20:44

sevilleorangemarmalade · 14/05/2025 20:20

I am hearing on the grapevine that the BBC has been inundated with complaints for having Helen Joyce on. I've just used their comments system to thank them for doing so but asked why this is the first time they've invited HJ — a journalist of the highest order and a brilliant communicator, involved in one of the hottest topics for women in the last decade — to particpate.

If you'd like to comment, please do:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

Or complain here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

I’ve commented too. They’ve been inundated with enough complaints from me in the recent past, so it makes a nice change. I couldn’t help mentioning the boys in ladies’ loos as a low point though.

HermioneWeasley · 14/05/2025 20:41

SternJoyousBee · 14/05/2025 20:40

I don’t want to give the BBC my home address. Is there anyway if submitting comments without having to give them my personal information?

I just put xxx and it seemed to work

SternJoyousBee · 14/05/2025 20:40

I don’t want to give the BBC my home address. Is there anyway if submitting comments without having to give them my personal information?

Sibilantseamstress · 14/05/2025 20:31

sevilleorangemarmalade · 14/05/2025 20:20

I am hearing on the grapevine that the BBC has been inundated with complaints for having Helen Joyce on. I've just used their comments system to thank them for doing so but asked why this is the first time they've invited HJ — a journalist of the highest order and a brilliant communicator, involved in one of the hottest topics for women in the last decade — to particpate.

If you'd like to comment, please do:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

Or complain here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

I left a positive comment. They ask for a lot of information.

Memoryhole · 14/05/2025 20:31

RoyalCorgi · 14/05/2025 20:23

Mildly interesting question: does Robin delude himself that he passes, and that's why he's not being challenged, or does he get a kick out of the fact that women are too frightened to challenge him?

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RMW thinks that they are ’somatically female’ after all the effort they have expended on transition. Passing seems to be a goal for many transwomen and there is quite a lot of wishful thinking going for many. Which is profoundly sad and counterproductive for them, let alone women.

Brefugee · 14/05/2025 20:27

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 14/05/2025 19:23

Fgs, @Brefugee , talk like an adult.

Everyone else understood. Sorry, do you need me to explain?

RoyalCorgi · 14/05/2025 20:23

bringonyourwreckingball · 14/05/2025 19:49

Robin may not have been challenged in a toilet but I personally have swerved Robin in a toilet because whilst objectively knowing Robin means me no harm Robin is a lot bigger than me, doesn’t remotely pass and is quite intimidating in a small space for a woman who has been subject to male violence. But Robin doesn’t care about that. Robin made that quite clear on Woman’s Hour.

Mildly interesting question: does Robin delude himself that he passes, and that's why he's not being challenged, or does he get a kick out of the fact that women are too frightened to challenge him?

sevilleorangemarmalade · 14/05/2025 20:20

I am hearing on the grapevine that the BBC has been inundated with complaints for having Helen Joyce on. I've just used their comments system to thank them for doing so but asked why this is the first time they've invited HJ — a journalist of the highest order and a brilliant communicator, involved in one of the hottest topics for women in the last decade — to particpate.

If you'd like to comment, please do:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

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Bannedontherun · 14/05/2025 20:08

bringonyourwreckingball · 14/05/2025 19:49

Robin may not have been challenged in a toilet but I personally have swerved Robin in a toilet because whilst objectively knowing Robin means me no harm Robin is a lot bigger than me, doesn’t remotely pass and is quite intimidating in a small space for a woman who has been subject to male violence. But Robin doesn’t care about that. Robin made that quite clear on Woman’s Hour.

Thanks for sharing that

bringonyourwreckingball · 14/05/2025 19:49

Robin may not have been challenged in a toilet but I personally have swerved Robin in a toilet because whilst objectively knowing Robin means me no harm Robin is a lot bigger than me, doesn’t remotely pass and is quite intimidating in a small space for a woman who has been subject to male violence. But Robin doesn’t care about that. Robin made that quite clear on Woman’s Hour.

chilling19 · 14/05/2025 19:48

’They're not shocked at a reversal of their rights. They're fucked off that their illegal access to women's rights has finally been recognised.’

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 14/05/2025 19:47

Brefugee · 14/05/2025 13:17

oh no. "What about da menz?!"

just stop it. It is tedious. We have made it very clear several times that this is not about men and their feelings are (relatively) immaterial. We are talking about women. Women's rights.

Have you EVER, @marmaladeandpeanutbutter ever gone on a forum full of TRAs and asked them "what about da womenz?"

I take it that @marmaladeandpeanutbutter is referring to this post. I can't see any problem with it.

JulesJules · 14/05/2025 19:36

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 14/05/2025 19:23

Fgs, @Brefugee , talk like an adult.

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