Helen Joyce finally makes it to Women's Hour today from 10am

Wonder if it's to find out if you're a license payer or not.

Interesting that the author Isabel Allende interviewed afterwards, detailing her decision to become a writer made a point of mentioning lack of opportunity for women. I assume she meant biological women as it was a few years ago. My irony meter flew of the scale as NMG made her mmm mmm ahhh empathy noises.

Yes, well, I have an otherwise-MN-only email address that I use for annoying surveys and the like. Plus an ancient PAYG phone that still appears to have a valid number.

I was entertained to find I had 667 unread MN-related notifications when I logged in to the email!

I’m not sure which barristers are mid-way through partly-suspended-employment tribunals, but I do think that Women’s Hour should cover just how many women have been hounded out of the NHS/Academia/Civil Service etc. and how, on the whole, their cases have been funded by many many normal people, not multi-millionaire ultra Right Wingers (or whatever the latest insult is).

Sandie and Darlington are getting some publicity, but “Average Joe/Joanna” would have no idea.

Have sent mine in, thanking the Beeb for having Helen on, but asking why the presenter was so clearly partisan when comparing with the various men on recently.

Also asked why they have had so many male trans activitists on and so few women rights activists on when it's supposed to be about women.

Also pointed out that the presenter was badly prepared for this conversation. Also asked why she failed to challenge Robin over his appalling and derogatory comments during his interview.

Have also sent positive feedback with only one word for my address. You do have to give them your correct email address though as they send a link to verify it before they accept the comment.

Would encourage all to give positive feedback. Maybe they'll take it on board and have more HJ and more women like her on. Would love to hear Doc Stock, Maya Forstater and KJK as well. Maybe also Graham Linehan.

I've sent positive feedback. The BBC wanting so many personal details was very annoying so I garbled it all up.

I don't know, complying with the law 'the way Helen would like' everyone to, wrt single sex spaces and speed limits and probably everything else that has been legislated for, ever.

Evil Helen doesn't want people to break the law is odd messaging.

Absolutely agree. I will add one further point that I've come to realise.

The TRA movement at its heart is linguistic. Because if you can change the meaning of words like "woman" to mean something new (that it includes some men) then you can change laws without having to get new laws written and passed.

If you can change the meaning of words then you also change people's behaviour and their support for this ideology more easily.

This is something clearly FWS understood and so why they wanted "sex" and "women" defined in the Equality Act.

It's also a point that KJK copped onto very early and so why she put up her billboard with the definition of "woman" from the dictionary on it.

So now, like Helen, I just refer to them simply as men. Not trans identifying men, not transwomen, just men. Nice and clear and simple.

I’ve sent my feedback. I find it quite sinister that they want your address and phone number.

Hang on. Is Marmalade saying that we’re ‘vile’ for condemning the way some trans identified men behave in the ladies toilets??

We’re vile?? Not the predatory and disgusting behaviour of the trans identified men in the ladies toilets??

"It is outrageous that you had a woman on woman's hour explaining what the law is, how the law works and why we have the law. I don't like the like and intend to break the law. Anyone who agrees with the law should be locked up for breaking my interpretation of what the law should be. It. Is. A. Disgrace.

i listened on catch up and was furious at the complying with the law as Helen would like statement. It doesn’t make any sense if you apply it to any other form of law breaking!

I’ve sent positive feedback. Thanked them for getting her to explain that young boys aren’t adult men and said I hope they have her on again.

Interesting thought. Can anyone make a complaint/report to the Bar Council?

I'll email with some positive comments. Where is the source of info that the BBC is getting a lot of complaints about having HJ on?

I know. How could an educational establishment of any standing use the phrase ‘sex assigned’ at birth?

The complaints are probably coming from BBC staff. I imagine they had to have lengthy group therapy sessions and cleanse the building with sage or something after the wonderful Helen left.

Any fellow fans of Severance here? I’m imagining Nuala McGovern spent a looong time in the Break Room for her ‘pronoun mistake’ 😁

I wonder what the criteria are for barristers to be reported to the Bar Council for bringing the profession into disrepute. Disagreeing with a Supreme Court judgement is one thing, stating that one intends to break the now clarified law would be another.

Thank you for the warning and link.

It sounds like everyone who missed this needs to listen to it, then write to the BBC with full back up for Helen Joyce plus thanks to the BBC for putting her on, and then full rebuttal of misleading assertions or suggestions by Nuala/RMW plus criticism of any omissions.

"How dare you let a woman voice her opinion on woman's hour"

I wonder how cogent and coherent the complaints are. I expect they’re mostly along the lines of “how dare you have this evil terf witch on, talking sense and denying my existence” repeated ad nauseam.

I've written to the Beeb to thank them for having HJ on. Said I appreciated that she was mostly allowed time and space to express her points, but the question about young boys in women's toilets with their mothers was desperate and embarrassing to hear from someone who is supposed to be a serious journalist.

Also highlighted that the comment from the presenter that 'Some organisations are not complying with the law in the way [HJ] would like them to' was also problematic and that the BBC was in serious danger on that point of misleading listeners with false information by using wrong and slippery language.

EDITED for typos

I've further commented on this already, I'm not repeating myself.

Apparently the BBC are getting complaints about Helen Joyce. This is the link for sending feedback:
www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments