NEU says Transwomen must be able to use women's facilities.

Those teachers among you who are in the NEU, are you aware of any pushback today against this edict?
When the BMA pulled a similar stunt against Cass last year, they soon got a schooling from their membership and had to start obfuscating.
Any hope for the NEU?

I'm not aware of NASUWT being captured. That's who I'm with now.

This kind of nonsense is why I quit the NEU.

At this stage, I’m not sure what support women are ever going to get from the (traditional) unions they pay for. Time to vote with our cash and join unions that actually seem to have all their members’ best interests as their primary focus.

Helen Joyce on this matter:

Can any teachers recommend a union that does protect women’s rights? I’m in NEU currently but this has given me a push to move. Someone mentioned Edapt above which might suit me. Are any other unions worth considering?

The membership is far from half female. It is mostly female, though Conference seems much more male - or did in my day. It is interesting that the other union, the NASUWT started as a split from the NUT because the NUT supported women, equal pay for example. It only joined with the UWT because the law would not allow them to, as they did, exclude women. But it now seems to be sensible about this issue

This. As a school governor, the advice of the NEU has little bearing on school policies. I worry that some teachers could end up in serious trouble if they unquestioningly follow the advice of a union that's telling them to ignore the SC and the EHRC. Unions have a duty to advise members on what the law is, not what they'd like it to be.

They cannot fight it. It is not in their remit.

Helen Joyce spoke with her characteristic clarity on this:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_79SvogR8&pp=0gcJCYYJAYcqIYzv

Sadly, yes. I was just saying to someone in the gym this morning that I'd rather talk to an upfront right wing conservative, than a left wing bro who hides his contempt for women behind his "progressive" views.

Does the NEU realise they are breaking the law?????

If that's the case, I'm appalled. At school we had Strictly Segregated Spaces (as we called them) into which p"n"ses were not allowed.
(Being teenage girls we specified what we'd do if one was seen entering our SSS!)

How are they planning to enable this for men while retaining the legal protections for women and girls?

Are they planning to just ignore those legal protections?

Are they seeking to overturn women and girls' legal protections in law to increase the freedoms and enforce superior rights of men?

And interesting they are just now plain all about the men, not even an attempt left about this being trans people as a mixed sex group.

The government need to slap this down hard and soon, or they have basically demonstrated that the law has no enforcement and is optional, (the question then has to be asked about which laws are enforced and why because it's no longer a blanket thing so legitimacy has gone), and that they are too weak to be any kind of governance.

@frenchnoodle i agree with what you say but that does not entitle people to throw around accusations

The thing about Debbie is he was smart enough early on to see the wind was changing and has been ahead of the change.

He still wrote terrible school guidelines that meant there was no single sex changing for students.

Will their membership strike for this? No.

It is not up to the NEU anyway. School or Academy management and boards are the ones who implement legal rulings.

yep next to men in bands/artyfarty types (who claim to be left wing but usually are very much good old Tory/ business types). I'm the same as you, life long Labour voter (took some doing in 2019 though- hated every Party then, almost same 2024) and male union types can be utter shits. Happy to have you making the tea and think they are God's gift. All those cosy voting for their pals to go away to Conference etc
Only reason I am still in a union is because I need to do to nature of my work. I so wish we had a Women's Union. A real Women's trade union.

They have clearly not read the ruling . Trans activism relies on confusion and incoherence just to survive. It withers very quickly when exposed to bright sunlight.

And of course the head of the NEU is a male.
So now will they waste our fees fighting this law?

There is a new organisation that does represent teachers in the ways that most look to a union for, and doesn't get involved in political disputes and agitation.
it is called Edapt

What is the point of being in a Union that doesn’t represent you, support you or advocate for you?

The supreme court ruling made clear the law as it has been since the equalities act was written. There is no appetite for even the Labour party to over-turn the equalities act as it relates to 'Sex'. The Greens are mental enough to suggest it - but they have no credibility.

Supreme Court rulings can only be challenged in exceptional circumstances, and even then it is the Supreme Court itself that must revise its own position. This ruling, however, was unequivocal and unanimous and has already been accepted by the government.

The NEU are having a tantrum. They have been taken over, like many unions, by radical activists who care not one bit about their pupils. Most teachers do not want to strike or get involved in political agitation.

All schools must provide single sex toilets and changing rooms for children over the age of 8. And all workplaces must do the same for employees.

I'm glad I'm not a child. Teachers are allowed into the children's changing rooms. Horrifying that a man could decide he wants to supervise a room of undressed children and the union would support that.

The NEU have been taken over by radical activists, just like the BMU. Always agitating. The pupils are irrelevent to them.