BBC series I Kissed a Boy decision "homophobic in the extreme" - LGB Alliance

So:
"No-one's ever really fully accepted me," she tells BBC Newsbeat.
"I thought it would get easier once I'd had my surgery.
"Unfortunately, it was not any easier. There's still this stigma and this embarrassment of dating someone who's transitioned."

no, pet , it’s nothing to do with stigma or embarrassment, it’s to do with hard biological fact. ‘Straight’ men don’t fancy blokes who have cut bits off themselves to ‘pass’ as women. If they fancied you, they would put up with the stigma, because if enough men say it’s socially acceptable, the stigma vanish es and it becomes a societal norm. That it hasn’t, means that at the deep reality level means there is no male demand for the ‘acceptability ‘ of dating transwomen. So it doesn’t happen.

BTW, if you were really up for ‘acceptance’ in day to day life, try dressing as a woman , not a porn ‘star’. You know, jeans, unfussy top, harassed expression, enormous hand bag containing the necessities of life for you and everyone else in your family/ social circle.

PMSL at a pile of women, mostly mums, chatting shite about what gay men like.

From a poster who thinks women can be gay men.

I can't quite believe I have to say this, but gay men are attracted to male bodies.

And it's really important to keep saying this, not just because it's an objective truth, which it is, but it's politically essential. Gay men spent decades fighting for same-sex attraction to be recognised as a right in law and acceptable in society. We're not very far from the days when sexual activity between men could result in a prison sentence, and even for much of my lifetime the age of consent for gay men was 21.

The idea that homosexuality should be redefined to include attraction to women "identifying" as men, or that gay men should feel obliged to consider women identifying as men as sexual partners, is morally abhorrent. In political terms, it takes us back to a time when same-sex attraction was considered socially beyond the pale. We must fight it as hard as we possibly can.

Apologies ChessorBuckaroo, I should have added ‘…if they are relevant to your personal biology’ at the end of that post.
And I had meant to describe MN as ‘very helpful’ not just ‘very’

PMSL at a pile of women, mostly mums, chatting shite about what gay men like.

You know nothing about our lives on here. Your misogynistic jibe applies to women whatever their gender identity.

Transmen have always been welcome in women’s spaces because as everybody knows, biological sex doesn’t change. Many transmen use their womanly biology (which you believe causes humans to ‘chat shite’ ) to have babies. Transmen are the mums that you patronise (helpfully confirmed by Freddy McConnell’s legal case). Your misogyny and presumption about other people’s lives is really offensive.

The article (with its broken link) also backs up the points made by several posters on here. It shows the need for the letter from the LGB Alliance in the OP:

‘It’s unsurprising then, that this transf*g tipping point seems to be coinciding with a rise in gender critical gay men.
As queer trans men and trans mascs edge ever more into the spotlight, we’ll need more solidarity from the cis gays who see our shared gay identity and struggle.’

Sorry to hear you pissed yourself though. There’s other areas on this very site with lots of advice and support tips on what you can do about that.

Not really surprised that Pink News would lean into the "you know gay men, we'll shag anything" stereotype, but I'd suggest there are two possibilities here:

• When the transman says "lots of gay men want to shag me", PN is omitting the second half where she says "you wouldn't know them, they go to a different school."
• There is a definite thing of transmen who identify as gay men hooking up with other transmen who identify as gay men. We used to call them "lesbians", but we're not supposed to do that now. What's even weirder is the subculture of straight women who are heavily into Japanese yaoi porn, who also call themselves gay men and pop up sometimes on Reddit complaining that their straight boyfriends won't accept that they are in a "queer" relationship. None of this involves gay men (old definition).

At this point I wish there was a terminology for penis people who are attracted to other penis people, who have a sexuality that doesn't involve vagina people.

And the straight women who think they're gay men might find life is easier if they realise that lots of straight men really like tomboyish women.

Pmsl at your idea that gay men don't typically have a tonne of female friends! Yes even -shudder- mothers! Some gay men even raise families of their own!

But, I urge you to share away with your article.

Because I'm pretty sick of the hypocrisy of "TERF between the sheets, TRA in the tweets" (I know Not All Gay Men Are Like That, some are great feminist allies).

Sure because an article by one TM that gets to hook up with gay men proves that they're all fine with it 🙄 And in Pink News, well, I'm shocked

I'm not a mum ( not that should should make any difference) nor 'chatting shit' (are you 14?)The majority of my male friends are gay men and they are very open about their practices and preferences. And these do not include vagina or bio women who attempt look/act like gay men. They're all LGB without the T.

Of course they will be some men who say they are gay but hook up with women. Just like there are some men that claim to be hetero but have had encounters with gay men or trans .
They should just call themselves pan or queer and get on with it.

I doubt you'll convince anyone gay men are happily accepting trans men into their dating pool now.

Straight men are not routinely hooking up with Trans identifying males, lesbians are not routinely hooking up with trans identifying males. And likewise, most straight women and gay men are not dating TIMS.

Random articles like the above aren't going to convince me, and definitely not gay men, but nice try.

I can't quite believe I have to say this, but gay men are attracted to male bodies. They aren't interested in female-bodied people with masculine affect.

Gay male sexuality is its own very distinct thing, and women who think they can identify into that world should take a moment to think about "lesbian" porn that's produced for the titillation of straight men and has basically nothing to do with actual lesbian sexuality.

If you're telling me lots of gay men are sexually interested in transmen, you're telling me you don't know any gay men.

"I’d say it’s really unfair on the TM too because the men in the show are not going to want to date that person"

PMSL at a pile of women, mostly mums, chatting shite about what gay men like.

So this article by a trans man and his hook ups with a gay man: "it goes without saying that cis gay men being into trans men is nothing new", was that made up? There isn't a single gay man who would be open to dating a trans man?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/28/gay-trans-men-tipping-point/

Actually I might suggest (woke) Cookies and (little chocolate) Cock to Ben and Jerry's as a new flavour.

If you're a gay man and a gender believer, you can simply say "TMAM" and "nobody should have to fuck anyone they don't want to!" and "I adore Lars/ whoever but we get on better as friends". It's totally navigable for a gay man. You can get some woke cookies and only do cock.

What are transmen going to do about it, realistically? They're physically women, socialised as women. Even their own religion tells them to pipe down occasionally because they're displaying "male privilege".

Essentially the men taking part in this are the same who would be on Drag Race.

I think they've picked less threatening men for the public, so that it's a less threatening show for probably a lot of straight women to watch.

I thought the same about how similar everyone was, but reality tv does tend to do that anyway. Ive never seen anyone like me on love Island.

I think its as much to appeal to the straight audience as anything. It looks cute in a way that having a bear chatting up young twinks doesn’t.

I watched a Jack Jewell youtube video talking about this and he made an interesting point about all the gay men in the series being of a certain type, young, twinky and femme leaning I think was the description.

He pointed out that other types of men from the gay scene - masc, bears, muscle/leathermen were not included. Maybe there is less interest from those men in reality TV shows but it also makes me wonder if the cast was built around Lars to be less threatening, more camouflaging and more accepting.

I'm not sure I believe they won't have been told in advance and probably all screened heavily for any hint of wrongthink. The coming out moment was probably very scripted.

On an individual level if they've all signed up in full knowledge for it then fair enough that's up to them. The harm is in the message it promotes about boundaries and sexuality.

The usual "queer" friendly media don't seem to be promoting this series much, a bit quiet over it.

Seems like a lot of the gay men who write entertainment and promote "trans women are women" suddenly don't seem that "queer positive" over a biological female on a gay male dating show. They'd rather pretend the show doesn't exist.

Lars is quite sweet and also quite passable - if you look at the face and mannerisms only......but is clearly a lot shorter than all of the male participants and has tell tale female bodily features and gait. Lars hangs back quite a bit, understandably, whilst most of the others are far more overt in their preferences and expression.

It will be interesting to see how it all develops in further episodes.

But absolutely insisted that a lesbian should get on with providing services as required.

He failed to see a problem with that.

Yes. Yes he was 😂😂😂

I don't have the receipt but wasn't OJ offended as fuck when someone asked him if he would do cunnilingus with a transman?

They probably humour Lars for woke points knowing full well they'll never be in a position where they actually have to fuck them. TM.can never be a physical threat to men.

I wonder what Graham Norton or LOJ have to say about this.
How does this square with their trans acceptance stance?

No, she's just like every woman I've ever met. Not.

Nothing odd about her in the slightest.

The rest of the cast have so far since accepted Lars the TM without question, even including on questions of sexual practice like Lars saying that they are a top or can top.

I don't believe a word of it.

Absolutely no gay man I know would enjoy being topped by a female with a faux-penis.
As someone said up thread, the casual scene is generally quite hardcore and physical
The suggestion is laughable