BBC series I Kissed a Boy decision "homophobic in the extreme" - LGB Alliance

What legality is there?

This is coming up a lot here, people are confusing the Supreme Court ruling on single-sex spaces to think that it means that the BBC are breaking the law by having a trans person on a gay dating show, or nominating a trans person for an acting award. Those aren't legally defined single-sex spaces.

The FtM individual (I believe) had to announce their trans status, so there wasn't any sex by deception, and anyway I don't think any of the men wanted to date her.

Hmm maybe the BBC have taken a few things on board about the legality of what they’re doing.

Axed. Will conclude with one final series of I kissed a girl. Let's see if they put a transbian in the final series.

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I wouldn’t dare suggest such a thing…

Are you implying that TIMs often like stuff about somewhat...younger characters? Like lolicon, for instance? I suspected as much. Many Internet TIMs seem disturbingly into the worse types of anime.

Yaoi is for women, written by women. Gay men don’t like that, we like Bara (for men written and drawn by men).

The TiMs on the other hand…
well I’d get in trouble for mentioning PIE and AGP together.

Oh do fuck off with your homophobia dear

Shit like this is just mental. A top with no cock who can only ever use a dildo, whether made of plastic or flesh, is not a top. You need to feel the responses of your partner. Ain’t gonna happen without the right tools.

I know this is an old thread, but this is a very interesting point. I was looking at a reddit forum for romance targeted at men, & one post went into an evopsych explanation of how men need to compete based on achievement so want aspirational heroes, while women generally prefer ones they can relate to, as there was never a selection pressure for women based on achievement.
Also, the fact that on romance, specifically, a hero generally needs some kind of achievement to be desirable, so it makes sense that in those kinds of novels, this is focused on.

The men in the thread concluded that 'modern society and education' had taught women to ignore men's need for aspirational power fantasy. Not sure of their whole thesis,,but I think they did have something of a point.

I watched the final catch up show of IKAB which I think they said was filmed 8 months after the main show.

They discussed Lars coming out as transgender in the house as a key point of the series at which Danni Minogue said something along the lines that ‘good’ people would be completely fine with accepting Lars - she’s missing the point that everyone wishes anyone else well of course, but it’s a gay or bi man’s dating show. As if only ‘bad’ people would object to someone from another category being included under that G or B banner as a potential partner.

At the end they asked for applications for I Kissed a Girl series 2. Queer (avoiding the terms ‘lesbian’ or ‘bisexual’) people (avoiding the term ‘women’) are invited to apply to that. So I definitely expect them to be adding biological men to that cast. It’s really depressing that these two long overdue TV firsts, last for just one series before they have to become mixed sex.

The coercion I am referring to is society wide. Not specifically the show.

@42petunia

"Sexual orientation (who you are attracted to) is completely unrelated to gender identity (who you are). You can be trans and gay, trans and straight, trans and bi, ace, or anything else – just like a cis person can be. "

It's not that simple. How do you define gay and straight for trans people? Is a transman gay when he's attracted to someone with the same gender (men) or someone with the same sex (women)? It's called homoSEXuality, after all, not homogenderality...

Unfortunately that was looked at in great detail by the Supreme Court and gay = homosexual = same sex attraction. Legally they shouldn’t have Lars on the show unless they let in other women (assuming you consider the BBC as a service provider).

Yeah, but if you’re a man who wants to shag women (even women role playing as men), then you ain’t gay

gay men have dealt with rather a lot of being told they just haven’t found the right woman yet over the years. They don’t need the BBC getting in on the action

I agree that Lars didn’t get much camera time unless Reuben was there - but he has a quite a shy personality. Reuben got more camera time than everyone else IMO.

Regarding whether or not it should be referred to as a gay dating show, both trans men, and cis men, can have a preference for dating men (instead of women), therefore both can be gay. So it is fine to call it a gay dating show.

Sexual orientation (who you are attracted to) is completely unrelated to gender identity (who you are). You can be trans and gay, trans and straight, trans and bi, ace, or anything else – just like a cis person can be.

‘Honoured’

righty ho then

It was a surprising twist but after the editors started ramping up the drama towards the end it seemed clear that one of them wouldn’t turn.

Maybe we will find out more about why on the reunion show?

Lars seemed nice and seemed to get on well with the group but latterly he didn’t get much camera time unless Reuben was there. There were a lot of big personalities competing for the limelight. I think Lars should get the chance to go on a dating show to meet a man like anyone else might, but I still don’t think they should call it a gay show; that word already has a meaning.

I thought Lars rejected the other man at the end? So it was the transman rejecting the homosexual man?

No one was coerced into doing anything - and no one was forced into pretending anything - have you watched the show?

Brave, yes. But not sure that coercing gay men to pretend they do pussy on TV is quite the historical moment I'd want to celebrate.

Just binged the whole of IKABS2 in one day and loved it! Loved Lars! He is amazing and really brave to be the 1st trans man on a gay dating show :)

I don’t agree with comments that it’s not fair on the other gay men to have a trans man on the show. The men choose who they partner with for most of the show, and Lars was very bravely open about being trans from the start anyway.

Jack who he was matched with at the beginning had already said he was open to a trans man… I’m sure Jack was honoured to be a part of this moment in history.

Clearly it wasn’t an issue for the others, as one of the other guys partnered up with Lars for the remainder of the show.

Unexpected that they have the homosexual man rejecting a female person. ' I put in my heart into him'. I honestly thought they'd pretend that people can change sexuality.

I think I said about half.

I don't think having a story, or not, is that relevant.

Back when Playgirl was a thing, I saw an interview with one of the editors (I think or maybe a writer) who said the differernce with trying to create pornography for women was it had to have a story. Men just liked a nudie picture, but for women, there had to be some kind of narrative they could build around the image.

I wouldn't consider Twilight smut, it's just low end teen writing. 50 Shades is, and so is Sarah J Maas.

Hmmm..interesting point. I agree somewhat about hetero female POV being similar to lesbian, but I would argue that while the main plot might go in a similar way, the dynamics of 2 women would intrinsically make the dynamics & hence perhaps plot somewhat different. I haven't seen Kissing Jessica Stein but would like to. Doesn't she leave her girlfriend for a man at the end? I'm bi myself but this put me off a bit, too many older lesbian films end like that

THIS! The European court deemed that it was unlawful to require surgery so that a trans person could get a GRC.... so for Season 3: at least 3 trans men alongside 7 gay men, and at least one should be fully intact (no surgery). Bring on the points of view after that....

Oh i agree, they definitely could have had different body shapes, but these shows never do, look at Love Island. That is a problem.

But there was one diverse candidate....