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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC series I Kissed a Boy decision "homophobic in the extreme" - LGB Alliance

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IwantToRetire · 11/05/2025 18:52

We have written to Tim Davie, Director-General of the BBC, about the homophobia displayed in the casting of a trans identified female in their upcoming series of ‘I Kissed A Boy’.

By doing this they are telling young gay men watching the show that they must be attracted to women who are pretending to be male. This is regressive, insulting and ‘homophobic in the extreme.’

Read our letter here:

https://lgballiance.org.uk/bbc-series-homophobic-in-the-extreme/

(Sorry cant find a version of the letter that isn't text via a graphic.)

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GreenFriedTomato · 12/05/2025 02:21

I also wonder if the next series of 'I kissed a girl will feature a TIM'. I was surprised the last one didn't.

Young lesbians have been told for years they must accept 'lesbians' with penis in their dating pool.
It wouldn't suprise me if they scripted it to show lesbians happily dating TIM's to reinforce this message.

GreenFriedTomato · 12/05/2025 02:15

On a slightly different note, not trans-related but still homophobia, these dating shows that show predominantly heterosexual contestants, always fail imo when they include gay or lesbian participants.
If they're trying to be edgy, inclusive, progressive and whatnot, they fail.
Because they put the lesbian with long hair with the women. And the one with short hair with the men (even though the short hair is the only remotely 'masculine' thing about her). Same with gay men.
So all they end up doing is going along with outdated homophobic and sexist stereotypes that there is a woman role and a male role in same sex relationships.

GreenFriedTomato · 12/05/2025 01:46

Arran2024 · 11/05/2025 21:19

That's a different one. In MAFS, the groom was apparently told that he was being matched with a trans woman and agreed to proceed, though this only came out afterwards. People actually watching the show didn't know this at the time.

I watch MAFS (one of my cringey pleasures). The groom was a queer pansexual type and when things went pear shaped with Ella, they both left the programme but Ella came back in paired up with a another former contestant who was a very laddish Essex lad type. It didn't convince anyone really because there was no physical stuff from the get go and the Essex lad always looked uncomfortable and used excuses like not feeling ready to be intimate and so on. It was clearly very set up by the producers. He ended up dating Katie Price after the show.

I've noted that mainstream TV reality shows have started including TIMs in female dating contexts (Shane from 90 day fiancée). They're always young and fairly well-passing (although Ella usually dressed like a porn star, fake boobs on display etc) and may contribute to the public's perception that TWAW, lovely, feminine, just like other women. Ella was constantly crying and sharing the brave heart-breaking journey of being trans, and fawned over by the other female contestants. There may even have been pillow fights. Or I could just be imagining that.
Shane on 90 day fiancée was less 'barbie doll' but a main feature of that storyline was fear of being outed/his Turkish fiancee's family realising he was male and having to pop to the bathroom regularly to shave in case they noticed 5 o clock shadow. I think the sister was aware. I wondered how they could not be aware..
Maybe in Turkey, they think English women are often 6 feet tall and with deep voices. But as said, these shows are scripted so it was probably all made up.

Here's Ella sharing thoughts on the SC ruling with the insufferable Richard Madeley.

I am pleased in a way that a transman is being featured on a gay show to show the other side of things. It is disgustingly homophobic but I wonder if 'normie' viewers will feel that. Or just think..gay men like men and he looks like one so where's the problem.

By the way, is this tranman contestant one of the 6ft tall bearded body builders we keep hearing about lately?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/05/2025 01:40

There’s Something About Miriam was in 2004ish. There was a documentary about it last year. I’ve seen the whole series, you can access it on the Rumble platform. It’s quite something.

IwantToRetire · 11/05/2025 22:15

I'm just posting this here as was worried if I created a thread with this title might lead to negative impact on group. (Or am I being over cautious).

There is now a Lesbian Trans Widows group on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1089397153022615/

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Arran2024 · 11/05/2025 21:19

IwantToRetire · 11/05/2025 19:56

Was that this one? Wonder if it will result in the same catastrophy?

After the reality show was wrapped up, Tom rejected the £10,000 prize money he had won and launched a legal battle alongside his fellow contestants.

They alleged conspiracy to commit sexual assault, defamation, breach of contract, and personal injury in the form of psychological and emotional damage and ultimately settled for an undisclosed amount.

And later the probably suicide of the TW who took part https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/tv/miriam-rivera-something-about-miriam-sky-channel-4-doc-476440-20240501

I thought tv series makers had all been made aware they have a duty of care.

That's a different one. In MAFS, the groom was apparently told that he was being matched with a trans woman and agreed to proceed, though this only came out afterwards. People actually watching the show didn't know this at the time.

IwantToRetire · 11/05/2025 19:56

Arran2024 · 11/05/2025 19:31

There was a trans woman on Love At First Sight (I don't watch it but my daughter does). Channel 4. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-66818092.amp

Was that this one? Wonder if it will result in the same catastrophy?

After the reality show was wrapped up, Tom rejected the £10,000 prize money he had won and launched a legal battle alongside his fellow contestants.

They alleged conspiracy to commit sexual assault, defamation, breach of contract, and personal injury in the form of psychological and emotional damage and ultimately settled for an undisclosed amount.

And later the probably suicide of the TW who took part https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/tv/miriam-rivera-something-about-miriam-sky-channel-4-doc-476440-20240501

I thought tv series makers had all been made aware they have a duty of care.

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WhatterySquash · 11/05/2025 19:52

It's absolutely horrible. As well as the homophobic message it sends out, it puts everyone on the show in an incredibly awkward position including the TM - they are going to have to not look like they're avoiding the female and the TM will be really vulnerable. It also make trans the focus of the whole thing (yet again) as the basis for it all is that everyone has to go along with it and they'll be stigmatised if they don't.

I saw a Mr Menno video about it and you could tell he was really angry. He's normally just witty and satirical, but he was fuming.

Arran2024 · 11/05/2025 19:31

There was a trans woman on Love At First Sight (I don't watch it but my daughter does). Channel 4. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-66818092.amp

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PonyPatter44 · 11/05/2025 19:08

It would be bloody TYPICAL if this was the thing that peaked loads of gay men...despite lesbians and straight women allies saying this for years.

OuterSpaceCadet · 11/05/2025 19:01

Kind of helpful for awareness raising though. About time men were inconvenienced for once.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 11/05/2025 18:59

There’s a heartbreaking tweet thread from a gay man about it:

https://nitter.net/adammcarter/status/1919487161990095289#m

(hope that link works!)