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Misogyny seems to have changed, and not for the better

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PopstarPoppy · 11/05/2025 17:28

When I was young (last century!), casual sexism was the norm, as were things like wolf-whistling, cars hooting at women/girls in skimpy outfits and men copping a feel in bars and clubs. None of it particularly bothered me, although I can understand why it bothered others, and I don’t believe it was right. But it seems that as attitudes that were almost unconscious have been stamped out, a much more sinister, deliberate form of misogyny has taken hold. I don’t know whether the two are related, because the latter is tangled up with gender identity politics, in particular the trans debate.

In the past, as glass ceilings were broken and women branched out into careers that were previously the preserve of men, I thought the years ahead would be better ones for women. Instead, it seems that the harder women have fought to be heard and treated fairly, the more they have been bullied and undermined, by companies, by the public sector, by media personalities – and even by a subset of (mostly young) biological women.

This has been underlined by the responses of so many to the recent SC ruling – with companies and public bodies finding every way to delay obeying the law and falling over themselves to publicise their support for those who have intimidated women. And the fact that, even now, women are repeatedly told to ‘be kind’ and asked ‘how we think transwomen feel’ about issues that have a huge impact on so many biological women makes it seem as nothing has really changed since the year dot. Women are still seen as ‘lesser’. And worst of all, fewer people now seem to view that as a problem.

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BaseDrops · 11/05/2025 19:26

It’s the shift from a group who were utterly confident in their superior status with no doubt that the law/establishment would back them up to now. Now men know they can’t assume they will be prioritised, believed, and supported to treat women as inferior.

And they hate us for it.

I wonder if it will eventually improve their social communication and negotiation skills. Perhaps it already is, they seem to be coming up with all manner of new ways to put down uppity women now they can’t use all their old tricks.

unsync · 11/05/2025 18:54

It's definitely morphed from being overt to resentment. As if they've had their toys taken away and are looking to punish women for that. A total failure to take responsibility for, and acknowledge how problemtic their behaviour is. They don't accept that women should have equity and equality. That struggle is far from over.

PriOn1 · 11/05/2025 18:34

My experience of that casual sexism was that it was negative from some men, but there were related positive concepts like chivalry and some men went out of their way to look after women.

Personally I preferred the casual sexism to the quietly seething anger and resentment that seems to have replaced it.

Not sure what the younger generation are like though. It’s changed in my lifetime, but even more so since the 50s when my mum grew up. Casual groping in the office wasn’t unusual then.

TheOtherRaven · 11/05/2025 17:57

Wholly agree.

It's hard to count job benefits etc as positives when at the same time it has become not only normal but apparently 'righteous' to demand for example that a nurse submit against her will to a man attending her gynecological operation where he will be given full view of her vagina, under threat of her being refused her surgery if she refuses.

Women's rights to privacy, dignity, to not be involved as props in men's sexual experiences, their very consent over their bodies being used by men in this way, is regarded as not only worthless but a sin for a woman to notice or protest.

There is absolute derision for women in society. By those who would tell you they are progressive and probably try to insist they were 'feminist'.

AlexandraLeaving · 11/05/2025 17:50

I think you are right. It’s been troubling me (also young last century) and I am struggling to articulate fully now it manifests itself and why it is so pernicious. Superficially, young girls have more opportunities and power than we did when I was a teen. And increasingly high proportions of top jobs are being held by women. And yet I agree with you that this is not how it feels.