Trans History Week and Germany 1933

Any chance you can source this in the original language @suggestionsplease1 There are some super smart Frauen around here who can pull apart a text in every language imaginable in a matter of seconds.
TIA

That's fine, most of Mumsnet is reading the denialism and making parallels to other denials of Nazi atrocities and getting a solid idea of the general tone of this board.

We’re thinking that the stuff you post isn’t from reliable sources and rewriting history isn’t factual. There are some highly academically qualified people who believe people can change sex, it doesn’t make them any less wrong.

Oops I am going to get told off now by the Scold.

The Regional Court of Cologne (Landgericht Köln) recognized the persecution of transgender people under the Nazi regime in a landmark ruling issued on 9 November 2022. This decision marked the first time a German court formally acknowledged that transgender individuals were victims of Nazi persecution. Cambridge University Press & Assessment
The case involved biologist Marie-Luise Vollbrecht, who filed a civil defamation lawsuit against the German Society for Trans Identity and Intersexuality (dgti). The dispute centered around comments made by Vollbrecht, suggesting that transgender people were not "true victims" of Nazi crimes. The court ruled against Vollbrecht, affirming that denying the persecution of transgender individuals during the Nazi era constitutes a denial of Nazi crimes—a serious offense under German law. Wikipedia+1Cambridge University Press & Assessment+1
This ruling is significant as it legally recognizes the historical suffering of transgender people under the Nazi regime, a subject that has often been overlooked. The court's decision contributes to a broader understanding of the diverse groups targeted by Nazi persecution and underscores the importance of acknowledging all victims to ensure comprehensive historical justice.
For those interested in the detailed legal reasoning, the court's decision is publicly available under case number 28 O 252/22 from the Landgericht Köln.

I hope we get Elagabalus this year. It's always fun when they bring up Elagabalus.

Also “Trans History Week” 🤭

I wonder why you’re still here if you feel like that, is it just to take the occasional opportunity to scold women who acknowledge and understand biological facts?
If you’d been paying attention at all you’d have noticed how many more Mumsnetters are commenting on this subject since the Darlington nurses, the Fife NHS case and the SC ruling. It’s peaked a LOT of people.

It isn’t transphobic to understand facts and how that relates to the law. Stonewall can’t misinterpret the law anymore, those days are gone.

What are they thinking when they read about the denial of the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany, which is testified to in museums in Germany and beyond, and recognised by German courts?

I'm going to repeat the excellent question above.

Have they found any trans Holocaust victims who were neither Jewish nor prosecuted for homosexual acts yet?

I'd be genuinely interested to see an example - I'd like there to be some grain of truth in what trans activists are saying for once.

Yes. Nail on head.

What are they thinking when they read about the denial of the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany, which is testified to in museums in Germany and beyond, and recognised by German courts?

Trust me, that's not what normal people (as opposed to people who have temporarily left their Reddit cave for the first time in five years) are thinking when they read FWR.

Reddit is doing a stellar job of showing just how misogynistic all sorts of groups are. Did you get the idea from there?

There you go - the reputable sources we came up with the last time people on this site tried to push the shameful antisemitic and homophobic fantasy of Nazis persecuting 'transgender people'

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1768427557425234010.html

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/how-transgender-historians-give-magnus

https://malcolmrichardclark.substack.com/p/hirschfeld-the-dodgy-high-priest

I'm pretty much at a point of 'let them get on with it' on this forum because it will be shocking to most Mumsnetters to see and it's important for readers to see just how transphobic FWR has become.

Gosh, can anyone think why we would not automatically believe anything that comes from a group who continuously and deliberately use language like Humpty Dumpty.

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less."

Here from The Museum of Jewish Heritage which testifies to and holds events addressing the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany:

mjhnyc.org/events/transgender-experiences-in-weimar-and-nazi-germany/

Cross-dressing males are not a 'marginalised' group.

And sorry to burst your bitter, misogynistic, transrevisionist bubbl, but poll after poll after poll shows us feminists are in the majority. You bitter misogynists are in an ever decreasing fringe minority.

Um... 'Scientific' American is an activist pseudoscience site that is not respected or taken serious by any actual scientist....

What atrocities?

Even Pink News couldn't come up with more than five names, all of whom were either gay or Jewish or both.

Chefs kiss

Scold, scold, scold 😂 I’m trying to fill in my bingo card, could you just add something about apartheid, the Stonewall riots, and I’m pretty sure someone once said trans people brought down the Berlin Wall and sprung Nelson Mandela out of prison. Thanks.

The Nazis couldn't have targeted 'transgender people' as transgenderism wasn't invented until a few decades later.

it's all part of the 'we were always here' re-writing of history, like 'transing' the Stonewall gay bar riots in New York in 1969, or photoshopping trans slogans onto photos of banners at gay rights marches in the 1980s.

Nothing is sacred, nothing is safe; no shame.

You've misrepresented the first citation and the second one is not credible.

Studies have shown that supportive hormone therapy, accessed at an early age, lowers rates of suicide among trans youth.

False. And irresponsible.