Trans History Week and Germany 1933

No, you’re the one scolding women for not believing things that you insist are true, but have no reliable sources whatsoever to back up your specious claims. Do you think that anything you’re saying is original? It’s just regurgitated falsehoods from Reddit.

😂😂 oh goodness me you’re reaching now!! I really must make a new bingo card from this thread, it may come in handy in future.

In China they would call it "pointing at a deer and calling it a horse".

Yeah I'm not the one trying to mock the testament of the Museum of Jewish Heritage.

Did they destroy the records of the people who weren’t actually categorised and who didn’t officially exist? Because if they didn’t officially exist there wouldn’t have been any records to be destroyed would there?

Court statement:

"The plaintiff's aforementioned statement can be interpreted as a denial of Nazi crimes. The private expert report submitted by the plaintiff by Dr. B1 A, a research associate at the GC Institute, also concludes that it is incorrect to claim that transsexuals were not victims during the Nazi era....
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"...Thus, even according to the plaintiff's own statements, transsexuals cannot generally be denied victim status during the Nazi era."

We’re all confused. It’s the core of their ‘belief system’ though isn’t it? We’re all supposed to unquestioningly believe everything they say, even if it is so obviously false, even if it is to our detriment and even if factually it cannot possibly be true.

And while I have your attention, that court case that you link to does not rule on what you claim it rules on. It rules on what is acceptable as free speech. It even quotes the article that caused the case saying that there was no "systematische Verfolgung for Transpersonen". Such a pity you don't read German and have to rely on what other TRAs tell you it says.

I know, but if you were to seek help you could overcome it.

They weren't very good at it since almost all of their records survived, then, were they.

This, all day long ⬆️

Some maybe, but there are significant records available and in various archives. I have copies of those relating to my grandfather.

Haha are you for real?! Of course they destroyed their records when they realised the war was lost.

https://hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/

The Nazis didn't burn their own records.

The denialism is strong on this thread eh! 😆

https://magnus-hirschfeld.de/ausstellungen/institute/

If only lots of books and stuff hadn't been burned, hey.

There were people in Germany at that time who sought surgical processes and hormones to align their bodies with their gender identity. There may not have been the word transgender, there may not have been a legal recognition of this a term, but these people would have matched our present day understanding of a transgender person.

Are you on ChatGPT again? That's a reply to the post you quoted, but it's totally forgotten your previous post that was responding to. Which was 'why would they have not been targeted?'

Just because there was no official "word" to describe trans people, doesn't mean they didn't exist back then!!
As the pp said, they'll have been flying under the radar so to speak.
Denying that they were targeted or must have just been gay instead or whatever is pretty nauseating, it is a form of holocaust denial.
Least people don't hide shit like this as much now on here I suppose, it seems to have moved on from "we just have valid concerns" and it's easier for people to see it for what it is.

It really is fairly simple. We're talking about transvestites. The Nazis persecuted homosexual transvestites because they were homosexual.

The Nazis didn't persecute heterosexual transvestites as a matter of policy, though they might have had a tough time if the authorities thought they were creating a public nuisance.

What we've got here is taking Nazi persecution of homosexual transvestites, mashing it up with the handful of transsexual people who had experimental surgeries at Hirschfeld's institute, and using that to ahistorically take the idea of a transgender identity and community which is barely 10 years old and project it back through time to foreground the modern identity among the Nazis' victims.

It's like saying goths and emo kids were victims of the Holocaust.

Evidence to support this please.

No legal categorisation you say? So officially these people didn’t exist, but you know that they did and you know that they were targeted. How do you know that? Presumably you weren’t there.

There were people in Germany at that time who sought surgical processes and hormones to align their bodies with their gender identity. There may not have been the word transgender, there may not have been a legal recognition of this a term, but these people would have matched our present day understanding of a transgender person.

It's not "absolute" specious twaddle" though.
I've definitely seen people on this board say "there's no such thing as trans."
Just because you haven't seen it (or are pretending you haven't, who knows) doesn't mean it's "twaddle." 🙄