“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

from Janice turners interview with Stephanie & Debbie Hayton

“This, says Stephanie, was the hardest point, with Debbie distracted and self-obsessed. Meanwhile Stephanie shouldered the whole domestic load, going to parents’ evening alone so their children wouldn’t be embarrassed by Debbie. Hayton jokes that, alas for wives, “living as a woman” doesn’t involve doing more chores.”

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4999528-4999528-janice-turner-interview-with-debbie-hayton-in-the-times

Good lord. It just gets worse!

Interesting how often men quickly opt out of 'identifying' into womanhood when it involves distinctions like these. Stick cleaning on the table, and as if by magic the actual distinction between men and women (in terms of real discrimination) suddenly appears.

Good lord. It just gets worse!

Interesting how often men quickly opt out of 'identifying' into womanhood when it involves distinctions like these. Stick cleaning on the table, and as if by magic the actual distinction between men and women (in terms of real discrimination) suddenly appears.

Couldn't the women have complained of discrimination anyway, since they were told that they had to clean the toilets, while he apparently didn't have to clean up his own mess? It seems to me the way to stop him making such a mess & enjoying it was for the manager to tell him he was responsible for leaving the toilets in a decent condition, same as everyone else.

@DelboytrottersDnecklace he won't get arrested, it's a civil law thing not a criminal one. But the female staff there can probably bring a case against the company for discrimination, and probably sexual harrassment

@DelboytrottersDnecklace he won't get arrested, it's a civil law thing not a criminal one. But the female staff there can probably bring a case against the company for discrimination, and probably sexual harrassment

What a brave lady, that was hard to read.

Shame on the NHS.

You can console yourself with the thought that if they still allow him to use the ladies toilet, they're breaking the law.

His days of abusing women in their own space are numbered

I know this isn't in the theme of the nhs and thank god for Karen

Standing up to this man 'rose'

I'm genuinely so sorry she's had to stand up,be counted and reveal her abuse-we're not the ones that need educating

About 10 years ago I worked at a maccies up North

I started at the same time as a man (that I'll call malcom)

He was,well,a bit odd but as it takes all types to make a world,I was friendly with him (not friends,but I do believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect)

I'd been there about 6 months when malcom came to work,wearing a skirt,tights and a very visible bra (I can't explain properly but you could see it through his blouse) and calling himself 'gemma'

I could squeeze 'Gemma' out at a push but a lot of people refused and got warnings from the bosses

We ladies had a rule-you left the toliet as you'd want to find it-this was a spoken rule,made very clear within us women and we all stuck to it

The blokes loo was next door and a disabled next to that (the disabled was always spotless but I wouldn't know about the lads)

Malcom (as gemma) started using our toilet (and the bosses told us to suck it up) and coming out with that smirk on his face and leaving the most horrendous mess-shit caked up the bowl and piss all over the floor-it would be stinking and swimming in piss (he would come out,smirk in place and scam the room for our faces)

We all got together and went to the bosses-everyone understood he needed to use a toliet but we didn't want him in our-there was a blokes loo next door or to use the disabled (that wasn't open to the public-staff only)

They refused to stop him-we where told to clear up his mess and to stop moaning as if they had a word,it would hurt his lady feelings and they where scared he'd take them to court

28 of us quit within the month (I was one of them-one lady was so disgusted, she was handing in her notice but died the day before she got the chance,so technically 29 of us)

21 of us where women

He was all over Facebook with that smirk and gloating that he was now a woman and we couldn't stop him using our toilets as he had lady feelings had grown his hair,wore lipstick and a bra

And what really was the icing on the cake was we lived not far from each other-we caught the same bus

He was having treatment on the nhs and had a free bus pass as work was on the way to the hospital

The same route cost me £60 a month (I was on minimum wage and it was a squeeze on my budget)

The nhs should never have paid for fuck all-its for health care not pandering to this shite (the same hospital refused to treat my friends cancer due to budget cuts-she had to go to one 20 miles away) but could pay for his lady feelz

As far as I'm aware,he's still on fb,with that smirk and telling the world that only his feelings matter and fuck women

Wow shocking behaviour. I bet he'll grow into a tyrant, started young throwing his weight around and being told he can be and do what he wants, nevermind girls who should move aside for this boy. All enabled by parents and school. Wait until he realises he actually cannot really change his sex. Even he realises that people are pushing back at his demands. Tantrum Time.

His parents are fully behind him-he's a girl and real girls don't matter

Apparently he struts around in short skirts,heels and waaayyy too much make up (don't they all?)

I remember a young lad at my dcs school

He was now called Katy and was to be treated like a girl

The school held assemblies on how katy was a girl,was the use the girls toilets and take part in girl sports,no bullying or questions allowed etc

Anyone who didn't like this could move schools-and a lot did (we where coming to the end of the time at the school so wasn't worth it)

Parents who said anything where told to 'educate yourselves' and 'She's a girl with a penis'

This kid was 5-i remember mine asking questions and where shot down and given a detention (which I refused to allow-my card was marked after that)

The mother and her friends where the loudest voices at the school

Starts young

Some parents out there pushing this stuff too. None of them appear to have any realism and all have to make way for the narcissistic person. That narcissistic person is controlling others. It's got to stop.

A boy with a penis might grow his hair, slap on too much make up and stockings and mini skirks (why do they overly sexually stereotype the clothing) and post all over social media, but he will always be a boy. A confused male, a man. We all see it. Some pander to the confused boy. It's not really kind to take part in their delusional feelings though.

I work with a young lady who is about 17
Lovely young lass who does dance
Its a female class and last year a young lad (about the same age) started
All he has to do is slap on a frock and boom!he's a girl
I've had endless chats with her about why he should not be there,he should not be taking part in female dance competitions and he should be with the boys

'But he's a girl now'
'He's transgender and feels like a girl'
'He's taking tablets'
'We don't mind'
'The school/parents are happy for 'her' to be there'
'His lady penis doesn't mean he shouldn't be there'

It's not on
I don't care how he feels or what clothes he wears,he should be in his own lane and not taking over from genuine girls (women) but she really believes that he's a girl now so should be treated like one

I've tried the whole 'penis/vagina' and that '#bekind' doesnt mean handing over our hard won rights but she's that gaslighted,she's ignoring me and insisting he should be welcome in a female sport

They are laughing at us

It's awful. That smirk. He knows he's male but has found a way (supported by pandering idiots) to muscle his way into the women's and loves the power and control his 'trans' identify gives him.

Apparently he's the vulnerable one. What a tosser. Time has come to stop this madness, unite and stand up. No more

Not just gaslighting, it's abusive.

And the managers are spinelss.

I know this isn't in the theme of the nhs and thank god for Karen

Standing up to this man 'rose'

I'm genuinely so sorry she's had to stand up,be counted and reveal her abuse-we're not the ones that need educating

About 10 years ago I worked at a maccies up North

I started at the same time as a man (that I'll call malcom)

He was,well,a bit odd but as it takes all types to make a world,I was friendly with him (not friends,but I do believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect)

I'd been there about 6 months when malcom came to work,wearing a skirt,tights and a very visible bra (I can't explain properly but you could see it through his blouse) and calling himself 'gemma'

I could squeeze 'Gemma' out at a push but a lot of people refused and got warnings from the bosses

We ladies had a rule-you left the toliet as you'd want to find it-this was a spoken rule,made very clear within us women and we all stuck to it

The blokes loo was next door and a disabled next to that (the disabled was always spotless but I wouldn't know about the lads)

Malcom (as gemma) started using our toilet (and the bosses told us to suck it up) and coming out with that smirk on his face and leaving the most horrendous mess-shit caked up the bowl and piss all over the floor-it would be stinking and swimming in piss (he would come out,smirk in place and scam the room for our faces)

We all got together and went to the bosses-everyone understood he needed to use a toliet but we didn't want him in our-there was a blokes loo next door or to use the disabled (that wasn't open to the public-staff only)

They refused to stop him-we where told to clear up his mess and to stop moaning as if they had a word,it would hurt his lady feelings and they where scared he'd take them to court

28 of us quit within the month (I was one of them-one lady was so disgusted, she was handing in her notice but died the day before she got the chance,so technically 29 of us)

21 of us where women

He was all over Facebook with that smirk and gloating that he was now a woman and we couldn't stop him using our toilets as he had lady feelings had grown his hair,wore lipstick and a bra

And what really was the icing on the cake was we lived not far from each other-we caught the same bus

He was having treatment on the nhs and had a free bus pass as work was on the way to the hospital

The same route cost me £60 a month (I was on minimum wage and it was a squeeze on my budget)

The nhs should never have paid for fuck all-its for health care not pandering to this shite (the same hospital refused to treat my friends cancer due to budget cuts-she had to go to one 20 miles away) but could pay for his lady feelz

As far as I'm aware,he's still on fb,with that smirk and telling the world that only his feelings matter and fuck women

I went back last year to meet my new baby granddaughter and popped in (I moved away not long afterwards)

He's still there,shitting up the bowl and pissing on the floor (I got talking to some of them)

He smirked as I walked in-he knew full well why I quit

They employ younger women apparently who either shut up,put up and clean up after him or quit soon after

It's fucking gaslighting

Why does everybody seem concerned as to how men feel and react to things - oops, I mean women with penises - rather than how women feel and react - that is, women WITHOUT penises.
Hold on, it's having a penis that makes the difference isn't it?
Isn't that how things have always been, but if we dare to say that we're accused of envy?

What really stuck is the same hospital that he dealing with was the same hospital that refused to treat my friends cancer

She wasn't going to get any better but with treatment,we could have got an extra 5 or so years out of her

She could have been around for her adult children,watched her grand babies grow a bit more and just had an extra 5 or so years

As it was another hospital did get her an extra 18 months (she had to travel an extra 20 miles to get there)

She said they'd basically told her to 'go away and die fast'

But they could pour money into his lady feelz

It makes me so angry-she was precious and a massive part of my life-shed paid into the system while Malcom hadn't (he'd been in the dole for a very long time before starting work-not benefit bashing)

Her life meant nothing but his feelings did

They really are @DelboytrottersDnecklace . It's really quite astounding how some people just cannot see reality. I can understand the 17 year old up to a point, with the ideological teachings, but people who are educated enough and old enough to know better are still throwing away the rights of themselves and their children. For what.