“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

oh dear God.

The EHRC needs to address this specifically.

They actually have to hold up these few paragraphs as an example of a breach. Not generalise, specific.

Exactly.

Rose might be blameless, it doesn't matter.

Rose is male.

Absolutely disgusting treatment 😡

How DARE they say they want everyone who works for them to feel supported?!

The fiasco surrounding Karen’s surgery should be criminal. Clearly punitive due to the concerns she raised. I’ve never read anything like it. How can they spout asinine tripe about care and support and every being included when they can so callously ignore the concerns of a CSA survivor in favour of a bloke who says he’s a woman. Revolting.

This is a perfect example of why SSS are so bloody important and I’m sick of all the weasely comments about “how will you know?” or “lesbians will be assaulted in the ladies”. Fuck off. If we don’t keep men out of SSS then abuse survivors have to endure further trauma and that’s not acceptable to me.

All those people on here who defend TWAW and want mixed sex toilets, how you justifying this story? Because there is no way you can stand by your arguments without admitting that you think traumatised women are less important than men. In this situation, the man in his exposing boxers is more important to you than a woman who suffered horrific abuse at the hands of her dad. If that’s the case, you are not a good person and your opinions are worth nothing.

To Karen and the Darlington Nurses, I’m so sorry you’re having to deal with this pathetic issue. You are trailblazers and you will win. Your fight will help other women. Karen you are incredible and I have a huge amount of respect for you. The strength you have is phenomenal. When you’re going through Hell, keep going!

Just occurred to me that any woman patient asking for female only care might have had 'Rose' on the team.

"The angry enablers" very apt term.
Nhs bosses are utterly shameful in these 2 cases.
Good luck in your workplace struggles
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Reading these details, it's no wonder Wes Streeting has offered his support (although I appreciate things haven't moved as quickly as they would have liked). I find it absolutely incredible that there are so many cases where it is so clear cut, precisely because the TRAs simply can't reign themselves in. The bearded footballer. The doctor claiming harassment because the nurse won't strip off in front of him. And this one, which really does top them all.

Of course it shouldn't be that those passing get a free pass and legislation absolutely shouldn't be based on how people look, which really rather shows it all up for the nonsense it is anyway. But, it's been the constant pushing at the boundaries that has finally got the attention of those who previously wanted to just be kind, either through finally understanding the harm or through being forced to see it through the courts. No amount of being kind was ever enough, and I do wonder what the next goal was if they hadn't finally triggered a pushback at this point?

Thank you Karen (if you are reading) for coming out to speak about this. Your video - in your own words and without the filter of the media - is so powerful. You are so brave to speak up and I am sorry that all of this has been done to you by the NHS in our name. It is appalling.

Unfortunately it is not just Karen's trust that has this policy of withdrawing treatment from any women who object to a male in a single sex ward. They are all operating this policy but the only way you know is by Freedom of Information search - appallingly secretive. The attach image is a screenshot from a London NHS Trust policy:

ETA - it's West London NHS Trust

Abusers like him will target the very vulnerable. Rose's partner may have learning difficulties, ASD, addiction or have mental health issues.
God love her.

I agree. We don't need Rose to be a wrong 'un. That allows the Isla Bryson 'not proper trans' arguments. Trans enough to force 16 year old girls on a beauty course to undress but.....

Focus on the individual isn't the point, it's that however nice they might be, their presence is enough to traumatise women .

I agree, cowardice has gone a long way towards it.

Also, trans ideology relies on sexism. You can't exploit something that isn't there. The fact that it's women being sacrificed and women suffering isn't a coincidence.

I was talking to one of my DHs friends at a BBQ yesterday, he's in his mid 40s, single, hipster type guy, works in film/music industry. I genuinely cannot remember how we got onto the subject, I try not to bring it up as if I do then I can't stop myself, the floodgates open and I start ranting about women's rights! Anyway, he started talking about the supreme court ruling and I thought "oh no, here we go" and steeled myself to hear the usual bullshit and tried to plan what I was going to carefully say to defend women's rights. I was planning to use Sandie and the Darlington nurses as my examples.

But he completely surprised me and said, what a relief that the supreme court has clarified things and it's a sensible, correct decision. I nearly fell off my seat! Then he immediately went on to say this whole ideology is a Pervert's charter. He said I've seen enough of these type of men through my work and the gigs I go to etc. He also said it was annoying him that the news was constantly bemoaning about the poor men and what about the brave women who stood up to Scot govt and amnesty international? I was so happy he got it I gave him a huge hug!!! Hopefully now IRL more and more people will start to see the hurt and damage it is causing, particularly with awful stories like this.

Wankers

People like to slag off The Mail but this is a very well written piece.

There's a lot that they can't say that they've still managed to get in to aid our understanding of this situation.

I just popped onto Bluesky to see if those on the RSOH had any sympathy for Karen

and nope! None whatsoever

it’s all her fault for failing to deal with her trauma about being sexually abused and taking it out on poor Rose. Theyre also horrified that Rose has been mis gendered in the article and complained to IPSO

and that’s what we are up against and why we are where we are

Cowardice is a major factor. I'm sure there are many NHS managers who know it's wrong, but won't speak out. After all, they're not the ones who have to use the changing rooms at work.

That has made me tearful. Those poor nurses. It's shocking

Very pleased to see this in Trending.

I know Wes Streeting has been dragging his heels, but as this story picks up speed, he's going to have to do something.

Even if you don't do it out fucking morality, Wes, the optics are going make the government look like a bunch of cunts.

Yes, it's probably number of reasons.

But there are so many people, everyone in the NHS, the police, universities, the government. They can't all be naive.

It really is the biggest, most effective global con ever

I agree although I think the managers have also been named elsewhere.
The more I hear about this story the more appalling it becomes.
Every member of staff who have enabled this man should be sacked and the police should be making a charge of indecent exposure.

Years ago a woman was vilified on here for saying that this was a Pervert's Charter.

She was absolutely right

It is just beyond sickening.

It's like an episode of Black Mirror.

The sad thing is many women supported and enabled this abuse of women, telling us to be kind to trans identified men. I am so disgusted by the whole pushing of trans ideology.

I cried reading this. Particularly the part where she told her children, and her son's reaction.

The part about cancelling her operation left me flabbergasted. Has the NHS forgotten what it's job is? As others have said here, it's not even about the context of the legal case, but the mere fact that there was a legal dispute should have meant Rose wasn't anywhere near Karen's medical care.

I find myself thinking of all those times we are told that trans people are the 'most vulnerable', and I think no, this is what vulnerable looks like.

I'm angry and devastated for Karen.