“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

There are really two issues here, and they don't contradict each other.

The first is the obvious problem of a man in the female changing room, who should not be there.

The second is the issue that @TheKhakiQuail raised, and arguably has more sinister outcomes. Two members of staff who are in a legal dispute should never ever be assigned to each other's care. That's nothing to do with trans issues, that's just a normal bloody safeguarding issue!

The address for the hospital is: Darlington Memorial Hospital, Hollyhurst Road, Darlington, County Durham, DL3 6HX

Would it be sufficient to put 'Nurse Karen and the rest of the Darlington 8, c/o HR' do we think?

Another form of abuse, they should now start to sue NHS directors. I hope it makes them think twice about going 9n a power play over people's lives.

How is it possible that the NHS could believe it is possible to change sex? We put our lives in their hands.

For anyone thinking thank god I don't live near Darlington, your own hospital trust would do the same thing. Mine certainly would, I've read a large number of policies as one of @KnottyAuty 's crew and its there in black and white.

man alive that made me angry.

I get that it doesn't matter if Rose is a wrong 'un, even nice men shouldn't be in women's spaces.

But decent men don't WANT to be in the women's changing rooms. The very fact of a man wanting to do this marks him out as waving all the red flags.

This also has all the hallmarks of a hand full of flying monkeys doing the bidding of a narcissist. Plus, telling women to get back in their box looks a lot easier than telling some very enthusiastic guy in a dress that he needs to respect women's privacy.

The only good thing about this shitshow is the women supporting each other.

I agree. Investigate the whole structure, the directors, HR, they have all enabled and promoted this to happen. Legal action needs to be taken.

they threatened to withhold medical care unless she allowed a man who she claims had intimidated her in the changing room to witness a gynaecological procedure on her. Disgusting.

I feel absolutely disgusted after reading that article. That poor woman has suffered so much, betrayed by her father and her employer. It beggars belief that she had to take legal action to prevent a person, with whom she is in a legal dispute, from being present in the operating room—arguably, the moment when a patient is most vulnerable. Darlington Trust management should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

Wes Streeting has had ample time to address this issue, yet it is still happening. NHS managers responsible for these harmful policies, policies that directly impact actual women, must be held accountable.

Exactly. And in a normal world if something like this nurse’s situation happened by some failing or anomaly, there would be mass horror and robust steps would be taken to prevent it ever happening again.

But these NHS managers have lost their minds so badly that they are happy to write policies to make this MORE LIKELY to happen again. And are prepared to threaten to withdraw essential medical treatment from women who don’t offer up their bodies as validation props for these men.

Utterly evil.

I immediately thought of the Challenors when reading this.

The NHS complicity is horrendous. It's reached the point it needs a through inquiry all of its own.

What a horrific story. That poor nurse. Also if its the right ceo I've just looked up she's nicely retired and had an obe this year. Who on that board was pushing for this policy to be enforced like this, I'd like to know and then them sacked.

Sandie Peggie got literally hundreds of cards - her daughter posted on X showing it all (had to pan the camera to get them all in) and saying how much it meant to her.

Wow that sounds lovely, lots of post supporting these brave women. No more men in women's spaces.

I'd actually classify this as a physical threat akin to assault. Telling her (with glee, I imagine, a tilt to the head and asking Karen to be kind) that when she is completely powerless, this Rose person will have access to her body. Certainly it is bullying and intimidation. Whoever made that decision needs to lose their job and never work in any profession where safeguarding is an issue.

I agree. However, the people that need to read this are often the ones that say they avoid any discussions on trans because women aren't being kind to trans. The same old story, move aside, make way, be kind, allow this abuse to happen.

I'm saddened and disgusted.

I have nothing but contempt for those people. We're told we need to be kind and think of all those trans people terrified because they don't want to use the toilet that matches their sex but they show nothing but utter disregard for Karen and women like her.

Absolutely contemptible bastards.

I've just read the Mail article and I want to break something.

But I think I'll send the nurses a card instead. A nice deluge of postal support sent care of Darlington Hospital's HR department might make a point?

I agree it doesn't matter what this person has done or hasn't done, and that the only criteria is that they're male.

However, the entire edifice was constructed to enable men to do exactly this. Men like this.

This is for them. So personally I can't separate their motivation out from the criteria required to exclude them.

Even though I know their motivation is not required in order to be excluded.

Any man and all men must be excluded, but it's because of these men that we're having to fight it.

And I include the enablers in that. Perverts and misogynists are two sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned.

Anyone feeling the rage and wanting to turn it into action - the NHS Audit Working Party thread is, shepherded by @KnottyAuty and @TwoLoonsAndASprout , meticulously working through every single NHS trust in the country and compiling the receipts of all the ways they've sold women down the river and lied about it.

It's fucking enraging and depressing, because as both Knotty and Loons have said, they're ALL at it - but evidence is how we shame the NHS into changing.

Knotty's already wrangled us multiple Telegraph articles just for London.

Karen is so brave to speak out like this even if she feels she has been left with little choice. If I had my way this article would be glued to the desk of every NHS HR director and every NHS CEO and they need to be locked into their offices until they have read it and acted upon it. 😡

That is exactly what these policies mean.
And exactly as happened to Karen - object and your treatment will be withdrawn.
NHS policy

Everyone involved in the perpetration of such cruelty to this nurse should be utterly ashamed of themselves. They should also be sacked as they clearly don’t have an ounce of humanity or care.

That even one nurse should suffer so badly at the hands of her employers is unacceptable.

These people are the personification of evil - and I don’t say that lightly.

Thank god the father is being held accountable. Just disgusting!

Just realised it is not Karen's father, but Rose's......What of Karen's father?

That “case study” is all over multiple NHS policies.