“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

I think the lesson they learned was that it was just one man and he was very, very bad.

They didn’t learn any lessons about across the board strategies that prevent abuse, because that would be inconvenient and they don’t care.

I am sure that people will still argue that everything needs to be done on a case by case basis, and that the answer was reasonable adjustment for Karen and the hospital did that by providing the cupboard (leaving aside that this didn’t comply with the letter or spirit of the law, and that it isn’t practical)

Isn't it telling that being a bigot or prejudiced is SO much worse than being the sort of man who wants women to unwillingly undress in front of him

I was just thinking the same. I noticed that there was none of the usual “not everyone on mumsnet is a transphobe” on the sandy peggy tribunal threads either. It’s not easy to keep up the “be kind” shite up on threads like this. Maybe they should think about that when they are calling women bigots and hand waiving men into our spaces. Maybe they could think about women like Karen who deserve our support.

This.

I was molested by a teenage boy when I was about 7 and miscarried after another teenage male punched me in the stomach (during very early pregnancy - it happened at work).

My GP requested a female gynaecologist for me, but the follow-up hysteroscopy was performed by a man. The procedure took place in a full operating theatre.

I disclosed to a female nurse before seeing the male gynaecologist. He was lovely. The rest of the team was all-female and they were all so understanding. I couldn't have tolerated being in the same room as a creep.

The scolds will flock to any thread with JKR, toilets or pronouns in the title but threads like this, the ET threads, threads about rape crisis services etc etc and they are conspicuous in their absence.

They're just cowards and can't back up any of their shite arguments.

Always the same words. Coupled with the swearing, it’s clear that some of those who are blinded by their belief (that a man can be a woman, and everyone else needs to go along with this too - or else…) suffer not only from having a poor vocabulary but a poor intellect too.

Cried reading that and I’m not one to cry at the drop of a hat.
This makes me so angry
Karen and the other nurses are so brave in standing up to this insanity.
Shame on the NHS
Shame on every singe person who allowed this to happen

It's a variation on the "perfect" rape victim. A woman cannot say no to a trans identifying man unless she has an extremely good reason. And even when she provides one, well, it wasn't that bad and she should be over it by now. Why "destroy" the career of the man for a "mistake". Her career doesn't count, of course.

Precisely. He wore boxer shorts with holes in them? How womanly of him.

He's clearly a predator.

Yes. The NHS has been captured by predators for many years. They even had (still have?) policies to wedge male rapists, paedophiles and other sex offenders onto women's wards:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4313090-Telegraph-Patient-safety-fears-as-NHS-allows-trans-sex-offenders-in-female-only-wards

It's absolutely disgusting. How can they not see how they come across?

I cannot fault Karen’s bravery in talking about her abuse to help the be kinders understand why women need single sex spaces. However, I am so angry that another woman has been pushed into the position of having to disclose something so private. The TRAs endlessly assert trans people’s need for privacy but show no respect for the privacy of the women and girls’ whose spaces they want to colonise. Along with many other posters I am now out of sympathy. Trans people need to lobby for their own solutions. It’s not for women to fix this.

Not an important point, but it just occurred to me that not one of the usual moronic scolds has been brave enough to pop up on this thread to attempt to mansplain away this vicious atrocity. When you see the psychopathy of this ideology laid bare like this there is absolutely nothing they can say to weasel or gaslight even the weakest "justification". And they know it.

Everyone has been gaslit into believing these men are somehow not men.

yes. What people do is more important than what they say. Men like Rose invade women's privacy even though they know it upsets women.

they might say they're doing it because they're really women, but that's bullshit (obvs). and what they're doing is just what male predators do all the time, everywhere.

I really can't believe that any grown ups seriously went for the 'but I'm really as laydey' thing. Except I can of course, because sexism.

I hope Karen takes them for every penny she can get she can get for some sort of comfort in life. They are absolute bastards. No regard for the needs or care of the patient. Fuck them. How does that go with their Code of Conduct and NHS values etc? Damn the lot of them to hell. Thinking of you Karen x

A true heroine. I notice posters on Reddit are really covering themselves with glory, calling Karen a liar and bigot. Anyone attempting any form of moderation in their language being down voted.

Further reporting -

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1799446/theresa-steele-denied-surgery-nhs-london-hca

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

Everyone has been gaslit into believing these men are somehow not men.

Even though pockets of sunlight are shining through at an increasing rate still in many quarters there's still a reluctance to acknowledge they are all just men.

People keep comparing it to Jimmy Savile - well, absolutely. And what did they say about Jimmy Savile after the event? That lessons had been learnt?

But for men claiming to be women the NHS have been told and told of the risks and the actual damage to women, and they just don't care. They not only don't care, they coerce the women into being abused. Unbelievably shocking.

And thanks (as so often) to the Daily Mail for this.

This is the 60 million dollar question: how?
I think we know the answer.

How is ‘Women forced to strip in front of men by NHS’ not headline news in every media outlet?

What can we do to support Karen?

But it’s not the law any more. And it hasn’t been the law since 2010.

Don’t go over on Reddit, they’re having no problems labelling her a bigot and transphobe.

I can’t imagine how traumatising it must have been for Karen to be put in that position and being told by her employers that she was the problem. Hats off to her for taking a stand

And it's not like using the NHS as opposed to private care is optional for most of us. It's not like a cafe, or a shop, where you think, "This place is abusive to me and I just won't use them." Plus, it's healthcare we're talking about, sometimes life-saving, not a non-essential service like buying a coffee!

This one?

https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/20/hospital-cancels-gender-critical-womans-surgery-over-17604469/

I was also reminded of this -

https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2019/12/09/hospital-apologises-to-rape-victim-for-branding-her-request-for-same-sex-breast-screening-medic-as-transphobic/

This will have been shared before on earlier threads but I thought I would link it for anyone unaware of the impact of gender ideology on Brighton in particular -

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2025/04/30/a-rare-victory-for-womens-rights-has-consequences-in-brighton/