“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

This is exactly what I've just been thinking. Like the PP who said back in the day, it used to be flashers. Now, organisations like the NHS are falling over themselves to enable men to expose themselves to women and deliberately make us feel threatened.

It's sickening, bewildering, downright misogynistic, and I hope a lot of these NHS trusts have their arses sued for their complicity in all of this.

Wait, wait - they’re flagging up other trusts that they think trans people wouldn’t be welcome at?

Sussex University Hospitals have some crackers in their policy about workplaces which aren't totally welcoming to their staff:

"For Trusts such as BSUH, this may mean that highly skilled, qualified and compassionate individuals leave the workforce – or choose not to join it in the first place"

To be clear they are not talking about the 80% female workforce here...

I think we need to update this from stupid to vicious or cruel. They're exposing themselves hugely and peaking people all over the place, particularly with their most current, abhorrent behaviour.

Totally. I was going to reply to the Reddit post with, incels gonna incel, losers gonna lose.

These are the people that the previous generation would've called the dregs of society.

No wonder they fell over themselves to grab an ideology where they could stick it to women, perve on them and still be classed as 'progressive'.

Yeah, it's not much of a leap is it !

I can't tell you how superior I feel to Bertha.

You've clearly either not read the article or thread, or been unable to understand it, or simply are here to try and silence women from protesting what these women have gone through to pat the ego of a man. It's nonsense dropped mindlessly onto a thread about a raped woman's distress.

At this point, none of the idiocy of this political ideology washes, it is just more evidence of the pathological denial of reality, absolute lack of any values or ethics, total lack of any common sense, and hatred of women. I have no energy to waste on it. Only on making damned sure I do everything in my power to protect women from any more experiences such as this poor woman was put through.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

So how many women who've been sexually assaulted and need the safety and dignity of single-sex spaces would you consider would outweigh the "small and vulnerable group" of fetishistic men, who leer at women getting changed @BigHeadBertha ?

Would 20 women for every trans-identified man be enough? Or do you need a 100?

No, what is not a good look is you coming onto a thread about a woman whose employer enabled her male colleague to sexually harass and expose his genitals to her in a female only changing room, disciplined her for objecting and then denied her essential healthcare for further objecting to him being at the business end during her hysterectomy, and taking the side of the predatory man and despicable employer.

Trans people in the UK are not vulnerable, they might be a small minority but they have an extreme amount of political power which they have used to oppress women. They have the entire establishment wrapped round their little finger. They are not oppressed in any way. Nor do they have a high suicide rate, as you so irresponsibly claim.

Since we don't use the word "restrooms" in the UK I assume you are yet another tedious American who isn't satisfied with the fact that women have so few rights there and wants to object to British women having rights.

Sit down.

OOO that means I must be a man. I transitioned 6 months ago when I had my long hair cut very short.

Karen being interviewed by Nana Akua

https://www.gbnews.com/news/darlington-nurse-punished-nhs-trust-pestered-trans-colleague-female-changing-room

Agreed. The insensitivity is such that it can only be deliberate.

The ultimate in abuse. To be told she had to submit herself to be exposed before him, while unconscious and at her most helpless, if she wanted the health care she needed.

This is sheer evil.

And the powers that be wonder why there are so many scandals particularly around women and their health needs in the NHS.

The sheer, vicious dehumanisation of women is hard to miss.

How DARE women come up with reasons to not take their clothes off for a man to prove he has the power to force them to pretend? How DARE they 'weaponise' their traumas and feelings and histories as if this is an excuse to refuse, or as if those feelings would ever be real or matter in mere women? How dare they try and make people pity them so that they might wangle an escape?

I mean there's no bigger kick is there? When you have the power to force a woman to pretend to the point of taking her clothes off, you really have got the gold.

This pathological stuff needs to be called out plainly for what it is. These are not the attitudes of healthy, functional people.

Handy how they are omitting the female suicide stats. And the male. Just using the trans stats to make their point.

@BigHeadBertha Everyone has mental health, regardless of their sex or how they identify. If women have to take responsibility for men's mental health, men have to take responsibility for ours.

Why does no one care about the mental health of women who this changing space is for? Only this one man (who is definitely a man, see the photos and the article where he is engaged to a woman he is trying to impregnate with his own sperm and penis) matters here, right? No one else?

Bertha, where is Darlington?

No, don't go away, Bertha. Tell us more about how sexual abuse survivors should be anaesthetised and exposed so that perverts transwomen can have unfettered access to their bodies. I'm literally DYING to hear your rationale on this one.

I'm trans, and those of us who are adults are not some kind of small, fragile, fuzzy animals (the children are a whole other, horrifying matter). We're human beings, like anyone else, so please treat us as such. That means accepting that we can be as nasty as anyone else. And that we're just as capable of taking care of ourselves as anyone else. We're not exceptionally vulnerable, nor are we unfortunate. We are just human beings who have made a decision to walk a certain path. Our lives are not magically so much harder than anyone else's.

So really, stop fetishising us, it's creepy and misplaced.

I'll admit that I was once sympathetic to the idea that a transwoman should be able to use women's toilets.

I live in Fife. The Lennon Dolatowski debacle put paid to any sympathy that I had.

Oh go away.

I feel like there needs to be a petition to the government/health secretary on the subject of preventing NHS boards from threatening or denying female born adult patients healthcare for stating discomfort in being treated by men living as woman. I can't remember if it was this thread or the one in AIBU, but someone said it's akin to coercive abuse because in many cases the health issues of these women were so serious they either 'accept' this state enforced invasion of their vulnerabilities or the consequences of their illnesses. This situation should never occur in a public funded health service, of which I expect these women have contributed to financially. We are having our rights to dignity in sickness held to ransom, and that randsom is the witholding of often female related medical treatments. It really is unbelievable that medicine could legally be denied to anyone in these instances.

That is a brilliant idea.
I’ve gone and written mine. I’m going to post it recorded delivery tomorrow.
“But how will that make Rose feel” is one of the most chilling things I’ve read through all of the years of trans shite,
It shows how deep rooted this support of men is against women whose voices have simply been ignored, their fears swept aside. And now we find out that ‘Roses’ father is a nonce - colour me surprised. He (the nonce father) lives locally to my parents so l knew about him, but hadn’t joined the dots until today.

Sandie Peggie, the Darlington nurses and every woman who has supported this fight is a hero - wether you are JKR, Helen Joyce, Kelly- Jay Keen , Maya F, Keira Bell , Darling Magdalen Burns or simply women like me who have boycotted businesses, bought ‘Terf’ supporting stuff and spread the word peaking as many as we can.
We are winning this now. This is OUR YEAR Ladies.
And we have to show our support - I hope all the top brass at Darlington Trust loose their jobs for supporting ‘Rose’ against these brave women, especially Karen.
We women are just glorious - I never fail to be amazed at how wonderful we are.

Yup.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example).

What the hell even is this? Women should allow males access to our changing rooms and undressed bodies, and just stay quiet and accept being discriminated against and victimised, because some males are suicidal?

Hell no. We're not responsible for their mental health. Women's spaces weren't created to be validating and therapeutic for some men, they're for women's safety, privacy and dignity. If that makes men sad, that's their problem, not ours.

Let ‘em speak, let ‘em speak

Everyone needs to understand what trans activists are like