Trans people ‘excluded in heart of democracy’ after Holyrood toilet rule change

“We cannot understand why this decision has been described as one that will bring ‘confidence, privacy and dignity’ to everyone.
“It will not do so for trans people. It will exclude us and segregate us in the heart of Scotland’s democracy.”

Yet having trans in women's spaces leads to the loss of confidence, privacy and dignity for women and can lead to self exclusion but they don't care about that.

Everyone has been provided with a suitable toilet and nobody has been excluded.

You'd think wouldn't you? But the sacred caste are so used to dominating women and trashing every possible single sex space women have, that being told no, this is not yours has generated the most extreme levels of emotional incontinence and fury. Toddler tantrums plus plus.

Won the fight against what, exactly? An explanation in simple terms would be very helpful in deciding if women should 'give over'.

Though in all seriousness, the fight is far from over, sadly.

Yeah, we should all definitely STFU MrsOverton. Who wants women to be doing all that?

Having opinions? Speaking? Standing up for women';s rights? Calling out all the dickheads having mantrums about not being able to access women undressing & using the toilet?

Give what over, exactly? I'm serious: what do you want women to stop doing?

"Won"

No, these rights and spaces were always ours.

As some people are currently not enjoying finding out, you can't always have what you wish for.

So another one who doesn't like women having opinions and voicing them, huh?

I wish you lot would give over, you’ve won!

As an aside, I was at the Queen’s Hall last week and their toilets are a dream: single cubicles, unisex, walls up to the ceilings, sinks inside AND lights outside to show you if they’re empty. This in a space owned by a charity and a listed building (I think, at least, an old one). If every building had bogs like that then this particular issue would simply melt away. Maybe that’s where Trans and Equality should focus their considerable energy?

Somatically female my arse. 😆

I hereby declare myself somatically rich. I was just born in the wrong body/life. I demand this wrong be rectified immediately 😠

@WomanofcustardJohn Swinney is a fairly straightforward man and doesn’t want to get involved in all this, after seeing what the consequences were for Nicola Sturgeon’s career. Although he supported all the nonsense before he became leader and I would probably respect him more if he actually stuck to his guns, but whatever. Coming out swinging at the Supreme Court’s decision would win precious few votes, he’ll leave it to the Greens. And Holyrood itself, as in the building and people who operate the building, is just a public building who has to follow legal guidance like everyone else.

I have too. It occurred to me the other day that "inclusion" gets my hackles up in the way that "holistic" used to when it was used to mean, "As opposed to the formulaic health care YOU offer in the NHS."

I am rather alarmed at the way Holyrood has taken this on, without complaining at the unfairness of the decision. Why have they suddenly caved in - it’s not like them at all (apart from the odious Maggie Chapman)!

The performative hyperbole is getting very tedious.

So, according to the Trans group this is a "rushed" decision. It's not if you're a woman, it's actually many years too late! It's not even a decision, it's merely compliance with the law, following having failed to comply since 2010.

Robin "Moira" White (remember him, the lawyer who'd "worked hard" at his transition and said on tv that he was "somatically female?). In the same interview he said that he wouldn't use unisex toilets as they were "ghettos."

Funny isn't it, women fought for single sex toilets to release them from the "urinary leash", to enable them to take part in public life. Disability rights groups campaigned for toilets with disabled access. Groups then advocated for mother (now parent) and baby changing facilities.

Men claiming to be women haven't spent the past 15 years campaigning for 3rd spaces, because unlike the other groups their focus is not their dignity, privacy or safety. They know they'll be safe in women's single sex spaces because they're men. They're not looking for dignity and privacy away from the "male gaze" because they're the men doing the gazing. In fact many of them, most often the most vocal and aggressive, are Agps and cross dressers, for whom being "seen as a woman" particularly by other women, is part of the desire.

They don't want the privacy of a 3rd space, women's spaces are their desired stage, for their performative twisted misogyny.

Very simple: Use the toilet you were allocated at birth.

Everyone has a toilet. No one is excluded.

By getting overdramatic, and throwing a gargantuan collective mantrum.

Make it make sense ...

'Men required to respect women's rights get overdramatic'.

General public: what else is new?

I agree completely DragonRunor.
There's nothing you can say about TRA hyperbole like this. Full stop.

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I've come to hate the word "inclusion". Along with "diversity".