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Wah wah wah. 'Snot fair.

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Gymnopedie · 08/05/2025 19:04

‘It’s devastating’: Trans cricketers feel betrayed by the game they love

They can't be their authentic selves any more.

“Most sports are not an environment trans people want to be in. Open cricket is predominantly men and is not the nicest place for women to play cricket. It involves prejudice."

And women's sports are for women. They're not an environment they want men in.

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 08/05/2025 22:17

MarieDeGournay · 08/05/2025 21:06

I thought 'taking your whole self to work' had been quietly dropped.. I must be wrong.😕
It's such a bad idea - you should bring your professional self to work, and the fact that you are a Charlton Athletic fan or a pigeon fancier or a member of a barbershop quartet may be very important to you, but it is not part of your professional self.

That goes for LARPing as anything, including as a member of the opposite sex.
Not professional.

Exactly, knowing too much about people with whom you have an arms length relationship can create more problems than it solves. In the past I’ve worked with people who overshare, and it puts you in an invidious position because they expect the same in return, and no way was I ever going to spill my guts to ‘Joy in accounts’!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 22:15

SidewaysOtter · 08/05/2025 22:09

Open cricket is predominantly men and is not the nicest place for women to play cricket.

The women's game is not a refuge for men who find the men's game is not to their taste. Suck it up, lads.

Or radical suggestion, but just start your own trans cricket teams. Won't happen though. So much easier to stomp over the rights of women to have their own team and then bleat when they won't let them play.

SternJoyousBee · 08/05/2025 22:15

Columbidae · 08/05/2025 21:38

No more "folding women like deckchairs", eh gents?

It’s like the blokes that play Sunday cricket against teams comprising ‘dads and lads’. Most would retire not out on 50. But you always get some prick who loves to get runs against 14 year olds and unfit dads who stay in the crease (when the game is already in the bag) rather than allow one of the youngsters further down the order a chance at batting.

SidewaysOtter · 08/05/2025 22:09

Open cricket is predominantly men and is not the nicest place for women to play cricket.

The women's game is not a refuge for men who find the men's game is not to their taste. Suck it up, lads.

NotMyRealAccount · 08/05/2025 22:05

2024onwardsandup · 08/05/2025 19:31

What about trans men?

I know of a very good young female cricketer who transitioned. I believe she's been happier and more stable in her trans identity than she was previously, but had to come to terms with the level at which she could play cricket on male teams being recreational rather than competitive.

SirChenjins · 08/05/2025 21:59

is not the nicest place for women to play cricket

Well it’s a good job women won’t be playing there, isn’t it.

My heart is literally breaking for the poor TIMs 😭

Pleasantsort · 08/05/2025 21:54

Or cricketty teams . Know nothing about cricket but same principle

Pleasantsort · 08/05/2025 21:53

I think it's really unfair that I can't play for Celtic FC Women's team but you know what ? I'm 54 and a lard arse and was shite even when I was young enough.(And they didn't have such teams anyway). So I go and cheer the women on when I can afford to go up there and go and see women's clubs down here. Some things AREN'T fair chaps. Boo hoo 💔 Find some 5's that you can do. Or form yer own teams.

TheOtherRaven · 08/05/2025 21:44

MarieDeGournay · 08/05/2025 21:06

I thought 'taking your whole self to work' had been quietly dropped.. I must be wrong.😕
It's such a bad idea - you should bring your professional self to work, and the fact that you are a Charlton Athletic fan or a pigeon fancier or a member of a barbershop quartet may be very important to you, but it is not part of your professional self.

That goes for LARPing as anything, including as a member of the opposite sex.
Not professional.

Quite.

And you try 'bringing your whole self' if you happen to be a woman wanting sex based rights, or an out lesbian believing in biological sex.

It is not a genuine value applied equally to all; its just marketing around a specific enablement of selected behaviours without responsibility or inconvenient boundaries, and connected to creating the dominance of selected political views while policing and silencing others.

Columbidae · 08/05/2025 21:38

No more "folding women like deckchairs", eh gents?

tanstaafl · 08/05/2025 21:20

Trans cricketers feel betrayed by the game they love ??

Howzat ?

ArminTamzerian · 08/05/2025 21:14

"Wah wah, men dominate cricket, and I, being a man, would like to whinge about that while dominating women's cricket!"

MeltonInTheHeat · 08/05/2025 21:13

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 20:25

I cannot get a grip on this "true self" bollocks that's getting bandied about. Do they not understand that anyone can dream that up. I can claim that my true self is to be to be a world class tennis play (minor matter of hand eye coordination not withstanding) but it doesn't mean Wimbledon's going to let me into Centre Court, no matter how much I scream and stamp my foot.

My true self is to be a 6ft 28 year old Scandinavian blonde. But fuck me if i can't manage others to see past myn51 year old 5 foot 1; 13 stone arthritis-ridden self.

Bigots the lotta ya.

EmpressaurusKitty · 08/05/2025 21:09

“Most sports are not an environment trans people want to be in. Open cricket is predominantly men and is not the nicest place for women to play cricket. It involves prejudice."

And that is exactly the kind of thing Stonewall’s Rainbow Laces campaign should be dealing with.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 21:08

@LadyBracknellsHandbagg Oh Christ, I already spend far too much time most days looking for my keys. Now I'm going to have to find my true, authentic self too?!

MarieDeGournay · 08/05/2025 21:06

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 08/05/2025 20:50

I was told on here this week that ‘taking your whole self to work’ is very much a thing these days 🙄 it makes me very glad I work for myself, because I would be bound to leave at least half of myself behind due to my having a ‘lady brain’. It’s absolute bollocks.

I thought 'taking your whole self to work' had been quietly dropped.. I must be wrong.😕
It's such a bad idea - you should bring your professional self to work, and the fact that you are a Charlton Athletic fan or a pigeon fancier or a member of a barbershop quartet may be very important to you, but it is not part of your professional self.

That goes for LARPing as anything, including as a member of the opposite sex.
Not professional.

Lyannaa · 08/05/2025 21:05

Why are trans people still going around saying that the SC ruling doesn’t mean that trans women are not women. The judgement couldn’t have been clearer. I’m sick of these people. For the first time in my life I can see that the left can be just as toxic as the right.

Coatsoff42 · 08/05/2025 21:02

LlynTegid · 08/05/2025 19:34

I hope you were being ironic. Otherwise I think you are being unfair to women cricketers, even though I agree 100% that those born male should not take part in the women's game.

Go and watch a game of women's cricket and you will see.

Edited

I love women’s cricket, the best thing about the 100 is that you watch both men’s and women’s matches. the women’s match is often more exciting and tricky and unpredictable, but for sure the bowling speed is so much lower and the big smash hits are fewer.
i feel that women’s cricket has evolved differently and is less wham bam than the men’s, and should stay that way. Without men.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 08/05/2025 20:50

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 20:25

I cannot get a grip on this "true self" bollocks that's getting bandied about. Do they not understand that anyone can dream that up. I can claim that my true self is to be to be a world class tennis play (minor matter of hand eye coordination not withstanding) but it doesn't mean Wimbledon's going to let me into Centre Court, no matter how much I scream and stamp my foot.

I was told on here this week that ‘taking your whole self to work’ is very much a thing these days 🙄 it makes me very glad I work for myself, because I would be bound to leave at least half of myself behind due to my having a ‘lady brain’. It’s absolute bollocks.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 20:28

ThisOpenMauveLurker · 08/05/2025 20:19

Why are they SO needy. The maturity level of toddlers.

Toddlers have the passable excuse that their brains are still developing. That doesn't fly with grown men tantruming "but I WANT to play women's cricket".

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 20:25

Gymnopedie · 08/05/2025 19:04

‘It’s devastating’: Trans cricketers feel betrayed by the game they love

They can't be their authentic selves any more.

“Most sports are not an environment trans people want to be in. Open cricket is predominantly men and is not the nicest place for women to play cricket. It involves prejudice."

And women's sports are for women. They're not an environment they want men in.

I cannot get a grip on this "true self" bollocks that's getting bandied about. Do they not understand that anyone can dream that up. I can claim that my true self is to be to be a world class tennis play (minor matter of hand eye coordination not withstanding) but it doesn't mean Wimbledon's going to let me into Centre Court, no matter how much I scream and stamp my foot.

ThisOpenMauveLurker · 08/05/2025 20:19

Why are they SO needy. The maturity level of toddlers.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/05/2025 20:17

MyrtleLion · 08/05/2025 19:57

Of course I was mocking the men who said they could only be their authentic selves playing women's cricket. How was that not obvious?

It was to me and it made me laugh. Although speaking as someone with appalling hand eye coordination, your idea would probably be the only way I'd be able to play cricket anyway 🤦.

TheOtherRaven · 08/05/2025 19:59

If you can only feel your authentic self when trashing women and their sporting opportunities then really you're going to have to get a grip on living inauthentically.

This psychobabble does not excuse the behaviour, the entitlement or the mad chauvenism.

MyrtleLion · 08/05/2025 19:57

LlynTegid · 08/05/2025 19:34

I hope you were being ironic. Otherwise I think you are being unfair to women cricketers, even though I agree 100% that those born male should not take part in the women's game.

Go and watch a game of women's cricket and you will see.

Edited

Of course I was mocking the men who said they could only be their authentic selves playing women's cricket. How was that not obvious?